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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.
“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.
After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”
“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.
Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.
The rule of law doesn’t mean shit anymore.
I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.
Sounds to me like they couldn’t catch the real shooter but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media. It doesn’t make sense, his family are millionaires…the boomers might buy this crap, but anyone gen x or younger isn’t going to believe this for one minute.
but they snared a doplerganger and figured they could frame him up fast based on his social media.
doppelganger* and please drop the unwarranted conspiracies jfc. I’m sure there is more to the story but you’re quite literally making shit up.
Oh god it would be funny if the real shooter would make a video dropping some unrevealed provable facts and exposing the government if that would be true.
My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization
A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.
Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down
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I’m with you buddy, reading is hard.
I mean, yeah, it is. Not sure why you’re bringing it up here, though. You okay?
Sadly, the most probable outcome from this is gonna be more privileges to CEOs. After all, they are now exposed to be killed on the streets. Maybe their insurance, as well as their brute salary, will also be way better. And surely, countless jackos are aiming for the vacant position.
The outcome is the CEOs will get 24/7/365 security details and pass the cost off to their customers.
I bet the security detail wouldn’t even get insurance coverage for being wounded in the line of duty as it’s obviously negligent to put yourself in harms way like that
With any luck people will be aiming for the non vacant position
His legal fundraiser has raised 27K in the space of a day. Free Luigi.
Please share where that is, 27k is rookie numbers. I personally plan to donate $10k once I vet it and know for sure where it’ll go.
I’m 100% serious.
Thank you for that, I’ll be needing to vet it and reference against a few others. That number is growing fast though.
Sure no worries. It’s climbing quickly!
Where can I donate
Me to! #FreeLuigi
My Christmas cookies from Costco come in a Faraday Cage… I’m so criminal right now!
I went in an elevator today. I’m the real criminal mastermind, you guys.
A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?
Sure Jan.
Nope! It shows Federal crudeness.
Sure Jan.
Lol, that made my morning.
Duh
I’ve got a Faraday bag and foreign currency as well lol
I live in Canada. I have a couple of US $ bills lying around. Does that make me a criminal?
YES! You make me sick.
And I’ll pay out the nose to be healed but not trust the cure thank you! That’s my right!
quietly removes Egyptian pound bill from wallet
You criminal fuck, get out of here.
That’s sophisticated criminal fuck, my good sir, sophisticated!
So alls they got is a faraday bag, he likes playing computer games, and a recently used gun? Oh yeah…hundred percent this is the guy.
/s
Least obvious sarcastic joke
/s in case it wasn’t obvious i was joking
Someone once gave me a massive lecture on the imporance of putting an “/s” so I always try to do that now.
As we all know, it is critically important that noone on the internet misunderstands your tone. /s
Did the lecture involve ppl in the spectrum who find it hard to identify tone in communication? I’ve found that even my most outrageous dark humor is taken seriously by a family member with Aspergers
They were referencing a few things, but I’m sure that was one of them. I’ll have to find the comment…
I’m also someone who makes outrageous comments or dark humour.
Yay I’m part of the club too! DARK HUMOR CLUB fuck yeah
It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a “Recently Used Ghost Gun”, a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.
This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He’s just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted
cheaply made 3D Printed gun
You could, if you were so inclined, make a rather nice 3D printed gun. Just saying.
that leaves no special marking on the bullet
No firearm on Earth actually does this, not even commercially made ones. The fantasy of “microstamping” has been just that, purest fantasy, ever since it was dreamed up by (I believe) some California legislators that were equally out of touch with reality. Forensic ballistic analysis does not work that way. In almost all cases, you cannot identify a gun by a recovered bullet or casing. You can, however, potentially match a casing or recovered bullet to a gun you already have in your possession.
and can only really be used once.
This is patently false, unless you suck at printing and assembling your gun.
They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly
Tons of people design and print their own guns purely as a hobby. Furthermore, before the advent of 3D printers plenty of people manufactured their own firearms without the aid of any such device – again, largely as a hobby or to have complete control over the manufacturing tolerances of their gun. Making highly tuned 1911 “race guns” for competition shooting is and was very popular, for instance.
“Ghost gun” is just a pejorative term invented to make “homemade firearm” sound more spooky. You have taken propaganda hook, line, and sinker. The only difference between a “ghost gun” and a regular gun is whether it was serialized by a licensed manufacturer. While there are a few extremely niche homemade guns that could be categorized as “disposable,” the vast majority are Glock- or AR-pattern firearms that use a full complement of factory parts.
It costs as much or more to finish your typical “ghost gun” than it does to build or buy a serialized firearm. They will also typically leave all the marks you’d usually expect on bullets and casings, because all the same parts touch the same way they do in a serialized firearm.
You don’t seem very knowledgeable about the gun used in this situation.
All articles about what was found on him kept mentioning a metal slide and barrel along with a regular Glock mag, that heavily implies it was just a 3d printed Glock lower so basically just a regular Glock. The only way it would “leave no special markings on the bullet” would be if he used a gun with a plastic barrel, but I believe the FBI said shortly after the og liberator was released that it leaves enough plastic behind to be traceable.
In practice the gun is a regular Glock, that would be easily identified as not being legal in a few states. My guess would be that they weren’t getting rid of it because it’s still a perfectly serviceable firearm and he might have been planning on using it again or at least it probably seemed like a good thing to have when he was in fight or flight mode.
If you really want to get rid of evidence the metal barrel is going to be the most important thing to get rid of as far as being linked to a shooting. Ghost gun is just bad in general unless you are in one of the states that says it’s fine
That’s what me and my boy were saying, he was just walking around with this stuff for 3 days? Just a choice really.
I’m also sceptical of the ghost gun thing. AFAIK the only real ghost gun is an FGC9 which is about the size of a submachine gun and is definitely not what is seen in the video.
You’re unaware of the existence of 3d printed Glock lowers? That’s all it was
What’s the point in those beyond a tech demo though? Don’t they use so much of the donor gun that it’s effectively no different to just scrubbing the serial number but with a lot more effort?
The point is you can theoretically assemble a functional Glock this way without leaving a paper trail. The lower (or frame, really) is the serial numbered part that carries all the Federal paperwork. You can mail order the rest of the parts without raising any eyebrows, do a bunch of assembly and fitting and tuning and fettling, and then wind up with a functional gun.
I will point out that this is actually legal to do on a Federal basis, although some states have since individually passed laws against it.
But just wait until I tell you that any moron can walk into a Bass Pro shops and buy a perfectly functional and lethal black powder cap-and-ball revolver in pretty much any state in the union with no paperwork. According to the ATF, they are not interested in classifying arms that do not used “fixed cartridge ammunition” a firearms at all (although most states do).
The difference is (in most jurisdictions), it’s legal to do the first and illegal to do the second. If you are already a criminal, there’s only one part of a gun that’s a gun, and that’s the only part that’s illegal to sell you.
Wait. Does that mean sellers are not obliged to track sales of uppers and barrels and the rest? Yeah I can see why lawmakers are pissed off now lol.
Yup, the US only regulates “guns.” Which is the part of the assembled firearm that has the serial number. Everything else is a “gun part,” which for the most part, are not controlled.
So if you can acquire/manufacture the “gun” you can buy the rest of the “gun parts” on eBay.
And the 3d printing part is not relevant.
There is no national firearm registry and manufacturers are not required to track parts or kits. So you can “build your own” weapon without traceable serial numbers - regardless of whether you use 3d printing to create one or more parts
A parts kit always needs a lower. The lower is the part that is considered the gun legally and is registered and serialized normally. 3D printing the lower is what makes it relevant
Criminal says they’re not guilty. Never heard that before
Guilty until proven innocent, definitely heard that one before.
I don’t believe for a second that an intelligent criminal would be carrying around all this evidence that links them to a crime days later. He would have dumped the ghost gun immediately. It’s way too convenient that the guy has absolutely every bit of evidence on his person at the time of arrest and that it’s so specific to the crime and nothing else.
I never said that
I was a tradie and more than one of my rich customers was arrested and found guilty
The first one who pulled a massive scam spent months joking with people he was innocent and was adamant it was bs… He started asking us all the best way to encrypt his communications too at one point (which was suss)
The silver bullet was when investigators found the computers at the school he was apparently operating weren’t even plugged in. Yes, they were that stupid
Another one was my ex’s bf who did lots of dodgy shit. Guy oozeed evidence
Yet another stole the security cameras outside a building. They took their hoodie off for a second and looked up at the camera, and then put it back on.
My point was, criminals will always tell you they’re innocent. And yes, a lot of them do make mistakes. Police didn’t plant a bunch of unplugged computer for my customer and it’s entirely possible this guy called lots of cash
Trump is the perfect example. Just because they say they’re innocent doesn’t mean it’s true. They possibly are. But them claiming they’ve been framed in my experience is meaningless.
There are lots of criminals I’ve personally come across who frankly are stupid enough to carry evidence. Yeah I’ll get downvoted and I get nobody here gives a shit about honest discussions anymore, but in my experience, it’s common.
So what does an innocent man say? “I’m guilty”?
Never said that.
Dumb comment
The innocent man also says “I’m not guilty” and my point is that anyone saying they’re not guilty is not an indicator of whether they’re actually guilty or not. An innocent person is just as likely to say “I’m not guilty” as a guilty person would be. So really the only dumb comments here are yours. You believe a false premise which led you to a false conclusion and instead of accepting you’re wrong you’re doubling down on that stupidity.
You’re free to take your anecdotal evidence and believe stupid shit, but if you’re going to say it out loud you better be prepared for the public dunking you’re inevitably going to get, because while we can’t make you not believe it we can tell you it’s a stupid thing to believe.
From the article:
Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.
They should have said “the suspect’s movements” or “the shooter’s movements”. Not “Mangione’s movements”. They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can’t they?
I mean, if they want to go and taint every potential juror in the country they can go for it.
Fuck Chomsky.
They said with no support…
Are you the CEO of a news corporation, bud?
He took Russia’s side in their invasion of Ukraine, which I don’t agree with, but truth is truth and he accurately describes how the media sways public opinion without outright lying.
Sure, but I think you’d understand that I can’t just take pure speculation though. Could you please source your claim so I can consider what you’re saying when you say he “took Russia’s side”.
Would also be curious of the state he was in while saying that if true, as he’s nearly 100 years old at this point if I recall? Even our heroes get frail and wither, not necessarily representative of their true core positions.
Can you back up that claim with a link?
I only read Chomsky saying:
- Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a crime.
- The US + Britain have committed far worse atrocities in war (e.g. Iraq, Lebanon, Indochina) than Russia in Ukraine.
- It would be better to attempt de-escalation of the Russia-Ukraine war than to strengthen NATO and continue a proxy war with Russia.
I mean, by your own comment, those aren’t great things. 2 is a whataboutism and 3 is the same as giving concessions to the Nazis and lead to WWII. Concessions have already been given to Russia in regards to their previous invasions of Georgia and Crimea. Give an inch and they’ll take a mile.
Regardless of Chomsky’s stance on Russia and NATO though, he still describes media manipulation acutely. He just has a huge blind spot for when Russia is doing it
I’m gonna guess he slings some porn…
Curious as to why you think this?
I’ve heard he’s a meany, but that’s all I know
Maybe Luigi can sue them with all the money people on GoFundMe are desperate to give him.
It’s an American newspaper, so it’s up to the victim. Canada and EU have much stricter rules.
It seems kinda grey because they’re not saying he committed a crime they are saying that he was in certain camera frames and the police were looking for him. If the police announced a name then the news would be reporting fact. The camera bit could be debatable I think. If they were speaking more about the actions of the crime they’d have to alledge, which they did alledge about his “type” of bookbag.
I could be wrong I just found your comment interesting.
Yeah but by stating as a fact that it was Mangione who was witnessed and recorded they are stating as a fact that he is the killer, which we don’t know yet. That is-- or used to be – a big no no in reporting. But times have changed. Here is a link I found explaining how they are probably opening themselves up to a libel charge with this kind of language.
I think they’re saying it definitely was Mangione who was recorded at the hotel, which if he was checking in/out is pretty easy to prove. From there they lost track of him because they didn’t know his route or he just didn’t show up on any other cameras.
I agree that the wording is likely intentional to imply guilt, but is loose enough that they could claim that isn’t what they were doing.
Was it an employee or a bystander/customer? I’m confused.
All the accounts I’ve read say it was an employee of the McDonald’s who called police. But who knows? Probably one source printed that and then all the others just copied it.
Of course it was. He’s not the dude. Let this shit play out and become a cold case.
What if you find shooter’s backpack ditched in park with jacket, gun, silencer, and fake ID used at hostel, but say it only had a jacket and monopoly money. And say that the guy probably left the state on a bus. Now you can pretty much do anything you want with any plausible-looking guy in the country you want.
I’m just asking questions! Also, most of the bags and purses you see for sale these days have a “faraday” phone bag or pocket in them, no level of sophistication required.
Since this involves the murder of a high-ranking CEO, rather than an ordinary joe schone, the police might resort to unconventional or potentially illegal investigative methods to track down the suspect. They could then potentially plant evidence to secure a conviction, as they may be unwilling or unable to disclose the investigative techniques used.
This is my favorite conspiracy theory to ponder over while waiting for the facts. Unknown methods could be blood magic, time travel (or viewing), Sentient AI/Alien overlords, or some kind of dragon ball yearly wish the powerful hid a long time ago.
