We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

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    22 hours ago

    The problem is they don’t have all evidence to the contrary, as you say. They’re told there’s a massive issue of trans people playing sports and making impossible for women to compete, and things like that. They’re given very impassioned reasons to believe that they’re believing the morally correct thing. They’re told it’s to protect people. You just refuse to accept that your “opponent” can have the same moral reasons for doing something as you do.

    There are others out there that need my help more than the hillbilly lifelong GOP voter. They can fend for themselves. I’m not going to waste a breath on them when I am too busy fixing all of the shit they’ve been breaking.

    Yeah, sure. I’m not asking you to. I’m asking you to shut the fuck up while other people try to do good. You don’t need to tell them they aren’t allowed in joining us to fix things, or to work to get them on side. You just need to sit down and not say anything. You seem to have plenty of time to waste telling them they won’t be accepted, which can’t work to do good.

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      21 hours ago

      They are allowed to join in and fix things. They shouldn’t do it for an attaboy, though. You talk about the information that they’ve been given as though they only have the one source. Willfully ingesting poison is suicide. They keep going back to the same fear mongering news sources that spout the same shit. Why? Because fear and hatred feel so fucking good. Oh, god. Like an orgasm for the soul. I’m persecuted, but look at me, I’m still standing. So, yeah, I’ll shut the fuck up. This will be my last message. But don’t make it like these fucks are the victims. They are the ones doing it to themselves. Go read a Reuters article. Check out NPR. Give APNews a glance. OAN and Joe Rogan are fucking toxins. They have all the tools at their disposal, but they refuse to use them.

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        21 hours ago

        When did I make it out like they were the victims? I pretty clearly said they aren’t I think. I said it’s more useful to turn them into allies if possible rather than ensure they remain enemies.

        I agree their news sources are toxic, but also like you said it’s addicting. I think we should try to assist addicts of all kinds, because it isn’t necessarily their faults, and even if it is fighting them doesn’t help. It only causes more harm. It’s better to help them get to a better place where they can be made to do good.