• NewDark@lemmings.world
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    The communists werent fascist, they were communist.

    I didn’t think I’d need to say that but here we are.

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      The 1930s USSR was squarely under the rule of Joseph Stalin, a brutal dictator. It was a time of mass starvation and persecution.

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        Authoritarian is not fascism. It is a component, but communism and fascism are not even close to synonymous.

        There was one famine from mismanagement, and Stalin wasn’t a great guy but this shit is really overblown.

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          The USSR was a fascism because it was a central dictatorship with violent tendencies. The actual definition of the term.

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            That’s not the definition of the term, by any ones analysis. The simplest, original definition is that fascism is state and corporate power combined. Like the US has been for half a century.

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                Not really, you’re the one that is just taking all 1.67 inches of capitalist dick while trying to redefine fascism away from Mussolini’s definition so you can protect the status quo you have been sold as ‘not perfect but the best we’ve come up with’.

                Capitalism and liberalism have always lead to fascism. They are the only ideologies to ever develop into fascism. Socialism and communism, maybe even anarchism are the only future humanity has. Humanity can’t coexist with capitalists long term.

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                    And if you knew anything about socialism you’d support the cpc. Maybe not the ussr but we’ve learned from their failures.

                    China is a fully socialist state. If you think otherwise you either stopped paying attention to socialism in the mid 1800s, or you don’t know enough about China.

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          I’m surprised the comments seem to be defending authoritarianism like it’s any more acceptable than fascism. “Stalin may have had millions of people killed and fueled the negative reputation of communism world wide for nearly a century, but at least he wasn’t a fascist.”. I don’t seem to understand why democratic social ownership is considered a worse alternative than letting a centralized tyrannical government harm people unchecked.

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            “shooting a home invader and killing the neighbor next door are both violent killings, so we should classify them both as murder” - you, probably.

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            Words have meanings - if people start calling left-leaning authoritarians “fascists” and no one corrects them, the red-hats will never understand how to differentiate; or why to differentiate.

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          I’m using the definition of fascism as it relates to dictator advocacy. I know that confuses a lot of people who associate socialism with left and fascism with right, but it is proper use of the term.

          The etymology is rooted in Italian authoritarianism from root words meaning a political gathering of men.

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            Who has defined fascism as such? How do the practices of Stalinism root in Italian authoritarianism?

            Defining fascism as any form of authoritarianism broadens the term so much as to render it useless.

            It’s useful to be able to talk about the ways in which the ideologies which governed Franco’s Spain and Mussolini’s Italy are more similar to each other than say, something like the DPRK under Juche. If we want to refer to something as authoritarian, we already have the word authoritarian.