• Conyak@lemmy.tf
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    The salesman took no part in making the car. He is literally just the middle man. That guy is an idiot.

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      But contracts equal morality! Ayn Rand gave the Holy Writ on this, I believe it, that settles it!

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        The metaphor would at least make sense. The point he is trying, and failing, to make is stupid. Workers deserve a fair share of the profits.

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      The writers were paid when they wrote the show. They don’t own the rights to it. That guy made a good point.

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        The idea that writers aren’t entitled to a cut of the profit made off their work is stupid, not sorry. Companies literally wouldn’t have a product people want to buy without it.

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            And? They created it. Without them it does not exist. If their labor is worth so little then why is Hollywood putting so much money and time into breaking the strikes so they can own their labor without fully compensating them for it? Why does a company deserve to own a money printing machine but the people who made what they sell don’t deserve anything from it?

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              So should a construction worker be paid every time you drive across a road they built? Should a plumber be paid every time you flush a toilet they installed?

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                Should you be getting paid to carry water for Hollywood corporations that make tens of billions a year every time you post, or just the first time?

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              Again, THEY DON’T OWN THE PRODUCT. If they want residuals, then need to negotiate that with the network. As it is, they are paid $25-35K per episode which is a LOT of money for a weekly show per season.

              Stop the White-Knighting for people who probably make exponentially more money than you do. Again- If they want to make royalties/residuals they can either negotiate for it- or create their own production company.

              I’m not going to argue about this with you.

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                How much do the studio, producer, directer, and showrunners make? I think the writers are equal to the producer, directer and showrunners at least. Do they make more than I do? Probably. All of us should be sharing in more of the profits, not taking others down.

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                  How much do the studio, producer, directer, and showrunners make?

                  They’re contracted. So it’s irrelevant. It’s all based on what agreements they made with the production co.

                  I think the writers are equal to the producer, directer and showrunners at least.…

                  The keyword here is “I think….”

                  When they’re not risking loss, they’re NOT equal.

                  All of us should be sharing in more of the profits, not taking others down

                  No one is taking anyone down here. It’s just logical argument. You are basing everything on how you think it should be, without knowing how it is.

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                Again, THEY DON’T OWN THE PRODUCT.

                Answer the question. Why is a company entitled to print money off the creative work of artists? What entitles them to that and not the people who actually create the value?

                As it is, they are paid $25-35K per episode which is a LOT of money for a weekly show per season.

                Lmao, you don’t know what you’re talking about. What right wing rag told you this shit? Virtually no writers are making that much. I’d be shocked if a dozen are. Do you think the WGA is made up solely of millionaires?

                You’re not arguing with me about it because you’re so uninformed you can’t even have a conversation about it.

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                  The company doesn’t print money off of the creative work of the artists, they bundle that work with the work of others they’ve paid for the product and hope it makes some money. Sometimes that goes terribly, so would the artists also like to be on the hook for losses?

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            Sometimes I get down on myself for not being a very good person, but your comments made me realize I’m pretty good actually, or at least I don’t have completely shite opinions like yours, so thanks for lifting my spirits

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        That type of thinking is one of the major problem in our country right now. The idea that a company can pay their employees the lowest wage they can get away with and then rake in millions off of their work without sharing any of the profits is what is leading to the end of the middle class. It’s ignorant as fuck.

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            No stupid, I’ve worked since I was 12 and have no issue with that. I just thing people should be paid fairly.

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              $25-35K for a weeks work is fair. Considering they’re taking no loss if the show fails, and not paying to produce it.

              Learn about shit before you argue against it.

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                No loss? Who the fuck do you think loses their job, pay check, and health care if the show fails? It sure as shit isn’t the CEO of the company who was making the decision. I guarantee they will still receive a nice bonus at the end of the quarter. You are such a fucking brainwashed idiot. Wake the fuck up already. I’m not wasting anymore time on you.

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                  You’re wrong, and I don’t care enough about you to correct you.

                  Have a good day.

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        $3,000 isn’t a lot of money for a group of people, the average full-time worker earns $1,085 a week. The writers created a story that a lot of people liked and that made a lot of money, so they deserve to be paid more. That guy made a bad point.

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    In this example, the salesman (Netflix) is literally getting paid over and over for this content

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    Writers aren’t car salesmen. Writers create the foundation of the show. They’re more similar to the engineers who design cars.

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      … who also don’t get paid based on how long or how much the car is driven.

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      Exactly. Now, how much are the engineers who worked on the design of all of the 2008 Ford Focus are getting paid quarterly based on the number of miles driven in 2008 Ford Focuses in 2022?

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          Doesn’t matter how many times it’s sold or how many miles it’s driven - the engineers never see another dime. The only people who get money along the way are providing gasoline, parts, or repairs.

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            It does matter how many times it’s being sold because unlike a car, which incurs material and labor costs to produce copies of, studios incur near zero cost when selling/reselling licensing rights to new companies, companies who have to pay these studios based on how many times their product is viewed.

            If they don’t want to split their hefty profits with the people who produced their product for them, I guess they can try to produce the product without them and see how that goes.

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              The point is that the designer gets paid once, at the time if design, and the car companies make as many copies as they want without paying an additional penny. Anyone who buys a car never pays an extra penny to the designers no matter hire many times they use the car (analogous to watching a movie or show multiple times).

              But let’s take you’re argument- that it costs money to make a copy. All modern cars are filled with software - entertainment, operations, video processing, communications, autopilot. Afaik, no programmers at Ford are getting residuals for the number of times their startup menu plays, or the fuel injectors modulate for a different mix of fuel.

              The crux is how these creators get paid - as a fee, or with a speculative, contractually-agreed rate. We’re somehow appalled when one field doesn’t get residuals they want, but other fields never get them at all.

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    What a stupid sentiment. Writers have been paid residuals for their work since the advent of television when reruns became possible.

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    I feel like there’s some argument with intellectual property vs physical product or service vs physical product.

    It’s a matter of ownership on who gets paid.