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If they don’t want it happening to them maybe they shouldn’t do it to their own people for 8 fucking years without stopping. Thankfully the people Ukraine and their Nazis were genociding and burning alive are now part of Russia.
- whataboutism
- justifying murdering civilians not involved in military
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Thankfully the people Ukraine and their Nazis were genociding and burning alive are now part of Russia.
You meant to say they’re Russia’s cannon fodder and so called military “volunteers”. So now you have a choice to die on the front lines or in a work camp – and yet they prefer that over migrating to Russia during those so-called 8 years genocide. Makes perfect sense
Meanwhile, I just learned that I have a distant relative who fled Russia to avoid conscription for Putin’s failing war. It doesn’t even make sense, the guy’s in his 50’s. Now he doesn’t know when he’ll be able to return.
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Just one day after calling an attack on a bridge that killed like 3 people as terrorism,
Isn’t it th Ukraine forces do terrorism attacks on Donetsk last 8 years?
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here are a few sources
- https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/
- https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/01/19/ukraine-russia-nato-crisis-liberal-illusions/
- https://www.researchgate.net/publication/299383810_The_Separatist_War_in_Donbas_A_Violent_Break-up_of_Ukraine
- https://jacobinmag.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia-nato-crimea
- https://www.internationalmagz.com/articles/conversation-with-dmitri-kovalevich
- https://youtube.com/watch?v=AEOy0eRcJxo
- this piece that reveals Washington, via CIA paramilitaries, has been fighting a proxy war against Russia in the Donbas since 2014. https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html
- war crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf
- accounts from the Ukrainian SBU’s torture prison reveal Zelensky’s plot to assassinate exiled opposition figure and leading journalist Anatoly Shariy https://www.mintpressnews.com/volodymyr-zelensky-secret-police-hunted-down-opposition-anatoly-shariy/280200/
this piece that reveals Washington, via CIA paramilitaries, has been fighting a proxy war against Russia in the Donbas since 2014
Versus the Russian little green men that infiltrated Crimea in 2014 and the full fledged invasion that is occurring now? Forgive me if I’m less than upset with the US and NATO for training and equipping Ukraine to defend itself while also avoiding direct confrontation.
Why don’t we look at what a US government study has to say about Crimea. First thing to note is that it was never part of Ukraine proper. US government referred to it as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. Second thing to note is that majority of the people in Crimea do not consider themselves Ukrainian, and the biggest demographic considers themselves Russian:
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First, they never say that Crimea is not part of Ukraine. The USSR had plenty of republics and Russia retains that trait. It doesn’t make them not part of the USSR or Russia except in the loosest sense.
Now, for the survey. First, it’s hard to read the tea leaves on it. What do those answers mean? Someone could ask me whether I consider myself a Portlander, an Oregonian or an American. I’m all of those, how do I answer that? Also, Russian is just a plurality there.
Going further through the study, it’s notable that at least at that time, Crimeans were largely unconcerned about ethnic issues like Russian language status, interethnic relations, and such. Unfortunately it does not continue past the annexation, so it’s largely worthless for gauging current opinion. For that matter, any currently done study would be tainted by fear that the survey takers are secretly trying to find disloyal households.
They literally refer to Crimea as an autonomous republic. What exactly do you think the word autonomous means?
The study is clearly not worthless, and anybody who knows a modicum of history realizes that Crimea was literally part of Russia until the 70s, and it’s populated by Russians. The notions that these people would somehow be opposed of being reintegrated into Russia after a nationalistic and vehemently anti Russian coup regime took power is frankly absurd. People continue to parrot this because it’s required for the narrative to work.
There is a book about warcrimes of the Ukraine, published in 2020.
https://украинские-преступления.org/#p=2 . The things you are asking for starting from the page 365. It is in Russian, sorry.
There is a dedicated English-speaking telegram channel I know https://t.me/InfoDefenseEn, which is publishing mostly current events, and it also contains a lot of materials about warcrimes on the Ukraine.
How are there not better sources than that? For all I know the book is Russian propaganda and the Telegram channels are conspiracy theorists who will say anything to convince me. Are there no videos and pictures of the events? 3rd party news sites? Anything cross-referencable?
If I spent effort researching every rabbit hole someone on Lemmy said “trust me bro, you’ll understand after you dO yOuR rEaSEaRcH” I would be 80yrs old and hardly any more informed by now
Are there no videos and pictures of the events? 3rd party news sites? Anything cross-referencable?
I think I’ve seen enough “behind the scenes” material from what is evidentially constructed attacks, I don’t think the presence of videos or pictures are great indicators if something is truthful.
I think I’ve seen enough articles challenging whatever current narrative the mainstream holds disappear, I don’t think the lack of third party news articles is a great indicator that it never happened.
There are plenty of other sources on that https://lemmy.ml/post/533698/comment/308893
Fuck around and find out
