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    I’m no fan of Streeting but he’s been very consistent here; use private to reduce backlogs whilst simultaneously increasing NHS capacity.

    If he does this, I don’t see the problem. If he doesn’t, well, fuck him.

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      Private to reduce backlogs is a scam, it’s an excuse to divert funding. It only make sense if you don’t think about it at all.

      Every single conservative government around the world spins up a different reason why privatization is the answer, because they are drooling at the idea of having it run like the U.S

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        Never takes long for the US to be brought up. Even though literally no one wants anything to do with it because they know it’s shite.

        There are more than two options for healthcare provision, and it’s annoying how everything is boiled down to “NHS vs US”.

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          US comes up when it comes to privatization damage yeah. The NHS is already using private in the way other public healthcare systems do, this isn’t going to make it better. Every single healthcate system is hurt by privatization.

          It’s also why the private sector heavily invests in these politicians, it’s not to help the NHS

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            No, the US comes up anytime someone mentions reforming the NHS in any way.

            The Netherlands is the best example of private healthcare working well, whilst being affordable. They have universal healthcare paid for through mandatory health insurance that all citizens must pay (unless you’re not able to because of unemployment etc), and all the providers are not-for-profit entities. It always ranks highly on world rankings for healthcare.

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              And that’s not what is being proposed here. What is being proposed is to move towards the US model of delegating the work at a markup, while doing nothing to actually increase capacity or fix the NHS. It’s also what conservatives are trying to do in Canada. If only it were like these other systems you mention, but it’s not.

              Funding has only gone down for NHS, and up for private care in the past and it has only made things worse.

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                I didn’t say that was what was being proposed here. It never would be proposed here because of all the scaremongering about the word “private”.

                Despite all the evidence to show that the government couldn’t run a bath, apparently they’re still the best to run a healthcare system.

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          literally no one wants anything to do with it because they know it’s shite.

          nobody wants anything to do with it publicly, but plenty would be more than happy to bring it in for their own financial gain

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          I feel we’re playing out Catholics Vs Protestants all over again but the names are changed…/s

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      The problem is that we have to stick with our utterly dreadful healthcare purely for ideological reasons.

      When the right do this on a particular policy, it’s rightly denounced. When the left do it, it’s “morally correct”.

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        It’s not for ideological reasons, and nobody is saying there shouldn’t be a reform. Investing in private healthcare is a scam and not the proper way to reform. It’s almost impossible to go back from depending on the private sector, so they are trying to just get your feet wet.

        If you think It’s hard to reform a public system, wait till its all tangled with private care, hiring more private care while we take care of the backlog of weaning off private care? The only investments made should be public, and drastic.

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      It definitely has nothing to do with the hundreds of examples where privatization caused immense damage, and almost no examples of where it helped, especially when it comes to something that doesn’t fit offer and demand, like health.

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        Funny how the rest of Europe doesn’t have that problem though, despite using private providers to increase capacity.

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          The NHS already leverages the private sector in the way other parts of Europe do, and it hasn’t helped. It has only allowed for drastic cuts to the NHS and increased private spending year after year.

          It makes sense on the surface, that’s why they are tricking you. I’m sure you still think Brexit was a great idea that saved you from the commies.