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- technews@radiation.party
An update:
- fmhy.ml is gone, due to the ongoing fiasco with mali government taking all their .ml domains back
- As such, lemmy.fmhy.ml is also gone, we are currently exploring ways to refederate (or somehow restart federation entirely) without breaking anything substantial
- We have backups, so don’t worry about data loss (you can view them on other instances anyway)
Currently, we have fmhy.net and are exploring options to somehow migrate, thank you for your patience.
I hope FMHY comes back. Didn’t realise how much I liked it until it was gone.
This is why we host our instance on a .org. Honestly another huge blow for Lemmy. It doesn’t really inspire confidence in the platform. Hopefully after enough time passes smaller instances like us and the bigger ones left will have help up a good track record to inspire confidence again.
Only one went down - most everyone else are still up.
This is the opposite of a blow. It directly shows the resilience of the fediverse.
Where I live i cant access any .ml instances so for me even the lemmy.ml is down
This just shows how putting all eggs into one basket is a bad idea.
Only the fewest of few instances should have used .ml - they should have spread out. This is the beauty of the fediverse when done as intended.
The only drawback I see, is that people want to make instances bigger, scaling tall, when they should have been scaling wide + wanting to use the same odd TLD. We reap what we sow.
This isn’t really that huge of a blow, it’s a learning curve sure but just because some people made dumb decisions on what TLD to use based on something they decided it means (and backtracked to say they chose it because it was free, I know) doesn’t mean federated platforms don’t work. Actually imo it points to the strength of federation that we can still be here using lemmy on our instances while they switch.
All this really did was teach instance owners (who this might be their first experience hosting things too btw) that you have to use a TLD that is more stable like a .org, .com, .net, etc over a “free” one, and this is afaik the first instance of something like this happening, so honestly they didn’t have precedent to base this on before.
By no means did i mean that federated platform’s wont work, far from it. Im more considering the reputational damage of the platform. For me all the .ml instances unresolvable. And it doesn’t look good when the “official” instance is lost. If i were an outsider considering moving to lemmy and i saw vlemmy disappear, lemmy world get hacked, and .ml loosing their domains id be pretty hesitant on making the switch. Thats where i sit for the moment. Lets all hope we can get a good track record going now.
I posted this on another thread about this, but I’ll repost it here:
I have made a tool that can backup / copy your account settings, subscriptions, and blocks to a new account: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
There are others out there as well if you look.
Obviously the loss of .ml communities would still be catastrophic to Lemmy, but at least your new account won’t start from ground-zero, and you can be less effected by downtime by having 2 accounts with the same subscriptions.
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Fantastic tool; thank you. I’ve been keeping 2 accounts—just in case—and this simplifies it significantly.
What happens when it goes down, will all of the posts be gone?
It was good while it lasted and they managed to keep it going longer than my first instance (two days)
Not all instances are created equal however one I tried to sign upto their email verification didn’t work and others just didn’t bother to activate my account for whatever the reason.
Happy to see your on shitjustworks now, it’s a solid one
Lemmy has had such a crazy month and a half. Insane growth, XSS injections, DDOS attacks, admin takeover, domain name seizures. What a wild ride
That’s how every service starts. Let’s keep going
and still better than using official Reddit app (and still better than Reddit overall) lol
And we’re still here, going strong. Long live the Fediverse.
Welcome to the real world
My boy Lemmy is growing up!
Facts. And such drama does make Lemmy more appealing in a way
I migrated, but I would happily rejoin under a different tld.
glad to see them not go down the vlemmy path
Damn, lemmy.zip, eh? If that instance is public, I don’t see that being a good thing.
Tons of businesses, people, etc, are all banning .zip and .mov TLDs for security purposes. I’ve personally banned all those domains from my network as well.
Bold move.
What’s the issue with those TLDs?
See https://youtu.be/GCVJsz7EODA and https://youtu.be/V82lHNsSPww
There are a few problems, but I believe the biggest issue is that .zip and .mov are valid and common file extensions, and it’s common for people to write something like ‘example dot zip’ or ‘attachment dot mov’ in emails, tweets, etc. Things like email clients have features where they automatically convert text that looks like a web address into clickable links. So now, retroactively, all those emails etc suddenly have a link, where they used to just have text, and the domains that are equivalent to those previously benign file names are being purchased by nefarious actors to exploit people unaware of the issue.
Yeah, you have a point. I may go block those TLDs tonight.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/GCVJsz7EODA
https://piped.video/V82lHNsSPww
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
But there’s only an issue if the software you’re using auto linkifies the domain. They often don’t and won’t. This seems like a hypothetical problem that probably doesn’t exist for most major software. I certainly know no email software is gonna auto linkify this.
If you’re curious, you can see if whatever software you’re viewing this post in auto linkifies (neither are for me): hshshssu.zip iwuf8aowk.mov
(And if we’re manually linkifying, then you don’t need to use the new TLD. Eg, not-a-virus.zip.)
At 1:30 in that second video, he shows that YouTube already converts dot zip domains, even in old comments that predate the domain’s existence. At 3:19, he shows/mentions Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, and LinkedIn. I would consider those major platforms. And keep in mind, it only takes one person downloading one file to cause major damage - the LMG hack was due to someone downloading and trying to open a fake PDF that was sent via email: https://youtu.be/yGXaAWbzl5A.
So yes, not everything does or will auto convert the links, but I think you are underestimating the potential for issues here.
Actually really huge security threats. It’s a very good idea to block them. I especially did because my girlfriend works for the government and does some secret stuff that can’t really get out, and she deals with a ton of real .zip files. I think everyone regardless of who they are should make sure to block them.
i don’t doubt there have been a lot of cases of those tlds used for scams but i haven’t been negatively effected by this instances domain name.
feel free to read the discussion about it here though
I can’t open that link because I block .zip domains lol
What happened to vlemmy?
Nobody really knows for sure. It just sort of disappeared one day with no warning.
Is this going to be an unsolved mystery of the Internet? A spooky Fediverse legend?
Yes, that’s reassuring. Also, nice to see their main website, I never actually noticed it existed
All of my posts on other instances are gone now :/
First I join Vlemmy.net and then FMHY.ML… I am afraid whatever instance I join next will collapse 😭
I’m sorry but for the good of all instances I’m afraid you will need to become a lurker 😔
I also joined vlemmy.net and it came down between fmhy.ml and sh.itjust.works. Guess I got lucky!
what happened with vlemmy?
The instance up and disappeared right after it’s admin said they were going g to defederate with another instance. There was no warning it was just gone the next day.
There is lots of speculation around it, but I think the admin got scared of the implication that their servers still held content from the other instance that was illegal in their country.
oh thanks.
Are you me? Same instances, same order…
…same fear.
.ee is owned by Estonia. Just pray Estonia wouldn’t do the same shenanigan and cause your instance to go down.
tbf Estonia is a stable EU country and Sunaurus (the admin of lemm.ee) is from Estonia so it’s not that strange
So why is lemmy.ml still working?
At least I see posts from their instance, like this one https://midwest.social/post/1290001
They may not have taken the lemmy.ml domain back yet, but because the different instances are federated, you’ll still be able to see contents from an instance that’s gone.
lemmy.fmhy.ml is pirate friendly, lemmy.ml is not. Maybe the Mali government suddenly decided they don’t like piracy because… reasons? Maybe the Somalian pirates pissed them off???
I doubt they care about such things.
I’m happy with the app because I would get suspicious every time the link changes again… pffff
This is precisely why my experiments with servers and internet technology stop whenever a dns is mentioned.
If i need to pay a subscription or otherwise rely on a centralized entity its not independent hosting and my interest in it disappears instantly.
Eh, you can self host your name system though. OpenNIC does exactly that. The problem is convincing other people to use your resolver instead of using ICANN.
you rely on centralised entities every day to use the internet… ICANN, IANA, and a few more right at the top, government agencies to manage IP ranges etc, whoever owns your IP block, whoever provides your network… TBH you rely on cloudflare even if you never pay them because they CDN half the damn internet. you reply on google and amazon simply because again they host services you use
don’t kid yourself, the internet works because of centralised bodies; not despite them! DNS is the least of your concern; at least those names are commoditised and have enough scrutiny (unless you choose a TLD that doesn’t have favourable TOS) BY those centralised authorities that they’re pretty untouchable short of legal challenges
I know, i specified “internet technology” for this reason.
I run a few websites and servers all of them are local only. Society can go to hell, my stuff isn’t relying on it.
I also use the internet of course but thats outside of my creative ventures.
Or don’t rely on a country code tld thats being used for vanity purposes.
I’m kind of curious about how you think the internet works.
It works very different from how i would want it to work for sure. I specified internet technology for a reason though. The creative limit i put on myself is that all systems should remain fully independent with the exception of hardware requirements. Everything remains local for now.
That’s a pretty specific requirement but luckily you can host your own VPN and access it on your device and then access the service you’re hosting via a local address. So if you do run into this again know that there is a way to circumvent the need to rely on *checks notes* DNS.
Frick, my website uses .ml and it’s gone.
Lost mine too, had an .ml domain for testing servers. Was baffled why the DNS won’t resolve, then I see this.
Are you using the free domain deal, or are you paying for your .ml domain? I suspect they only revoking those unpaid .ml domains.
Freebie. I actually bought a new domain this time.
You might still buy your old .ml domain once Mali government open up registration again, assuming domain squatters doesn’t grab it first.
I only used that domain because it’s free. Now I’m buying an actual domain, I’m not going back to that one.
Crap, sorry to hear that
Makes me wonder what’s going to happen to lemmy.ml if the Mali government is taking back their domains.