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Does Google not currently have an anti trust lawsuit going on? Fine addition of them abusing their quasi monopoly position. But maybe they want to use this as argument “look people could just get it from fdroid” or something like that. IANAL
BTW does removal mean phones with enabled google protect will ask users to uninstall the app? I have this “feature” disabled.
play protect sucks, ye. I think I might just go for f-droid only for my next phone.
I’ll lose tiktok, but whatever
Fuck tiktok
There’s the Aurora Store on F-Droid that lets you install apps from Google’s store without giving any data/account info to Google. Works pretty well!
Oh ye! I used to use that! I don’t remember why I stopped tho
Solution: don’t install it from the Google Play Store. F-Droid and Obtainium exist.
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This is a workaround for tech savvy people, but pretty far from the point here. This move is bad for the community and bad for the app. Play Store brings orders of magnitude more exposure and users
Most non-tech savy people aren’t even looking for an alternative map app. They are just going to use the one that comes pre packaged on their phone.
I don’t know how many people found it through the Play Store, but for a point of comparison, OSMand has over 10 million downloads. That’s 10 million people who are interested enough to seek out and install it, despite not being tech savvy enough to get it from F-Droid, etc.
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Your mirror might have problems. In the F-Droid settings → Repositories → F-Droid, you could try deactivating mirrors to see, if it works then.
I just reinstalled it without any problems.
Works for me too, no problems.
Same
You might have to uninstall first
Android Auto won’t work that way.
true. adding https://github.com/organicmaps/organicmaps to Obtainium installs latest version of 27th July without issues.
Go though F-droid if you can. It adds another layer of verification
On the bright side I had never heard of this app. So thanks I’m checking it out now
It’s probably the best of the free and open source maps. I use it almost every day.
It is also apparently a threat to Google. If Google fears it then it must be solid. (Spoiler: it is as I use it)
Basically Osmand mini. Simple and not much settings but good enough defaults.
This means I want to install organic maps now.
Update: I like it, it got us home quicker than google yesterday. And the route was less boring
Got it installed! Thank you!
Damn, that means Google sees Organic maps as a threat. It is crazy how good it is.
It’s getting good. I keep it as an alternative to OSMAnd, but find that Organic maps are harder to read and missing a lot of detail compared to OSMAnd.
evil
Well, at least now Google won’t try to update the app I installed through F-Droid.
This 😂
On Aurora store I block the apps I have installed via F-Droid so it doesn’t try to update them. Maybe you can do the same with the Play store
That’s one of the reasons why we need to breaking up google. They use gapps and play store to control the android ecosystem.
Never heard of it, thank you.
Google just made it more popular
You can get it off of F-droid
I just installed it and I’ll test it tomorrow morning! Thanks google
Also download street complete. Your area may be incomplete in open street map so it is good to learn how to complete it.
Organic Maps is also available via https://accrescent.app/ which is developed by a GrapheneOS community member and even hosted in the GrapheneOS App Store.
Accrescent is a private and secure Android app store built with modern features in mind. It aims to provide a developer-friendly platform and pleasant user experience while enforcing modern security and privacy practices and offering robust validity guarantees for installed apps.
Accrescent comes from within the GrapheneOS community and we’re collaborating together.
A grapheneos community member is just a random person
A grapheneos community member is just a random person
A random person that is mentioned specifically by the official GrapheneOS account, not to mention that GrapheneOS has said Accrescent is their recommended app store above F-Droid. Maybe Accrescent dev is not a GrapheneOS core dev, but still a step up, with more credibility, than just “a random person.”
True. I pushed them when they published the first build. I like it yet it’s not as open as an app store should be like fdroid or flatpak
The main thing they have going against them is the currently small list of apps, and it won’t grow unless people become aware of it and ask devs to put their apps there.
As for “not as open,” can you clarify what you mean? Yes, Accrescent does have “certain minimum requirements for all apps submitted to it to ensure the privacy and security of its users.” Is that what you mean,to loosen that? https://accrescent.app/docs/guide/appendix/requirements.html
There’s no other repos. It’s not federated, it’s not decentral. It’s like google’s store but from someone who’s endorsed by grapheneos. Maybe it’ll become the official grapheneos app store. (Its just a random thought) in that case it’ll get graoheneos’ reputation but still, there’s a reason why many people love fdroid and with the rise of reproducible builds it’ll become difficult to conquer their castle
@GravitySpoiled @FutileRecipe The one thing I prefer in F-Droid over Accrescent is that the former ensures open source and does their own builds while the latter allows closed source submissions.
Just get it from F-droid and be done with it.
Or “just get it from Accrescent and be done with it?” Are you implying if you get it from Accrescent, you’re somehow not done with it? Sorry, I don’t follow your logic.
Also, no thanks on F-Droid as GrapheneOS recommends against and there are multiple security issues:
F-Droid has far too many security and trust issues for us to recommend it. The vast majority of apps in the official F-Droid repository are built on their sketchy infrastructure and signed with their own keys. We’re concerned about a future mass compromise of F-Droid users.
That’s old info. Apps are now signed by the developers on F-Droid since about a year ago:
but now with reproducible builds F-Droid ships APKs that are signed by the upstream developer(s).
Source: https://f-droid.org/2023/09/03/reproducible-builds-signing-keys-and-binary-repos.html
EDIT: I should note this doesn’t address the other issues in your second link (I have twitter blocked, can’t see that link) but it does fix the primary issue of the apps originally not being signed by the developer.
Graphene OS is not a good source of information. I call BS on anyone calling F-droid insecure. If you have a better option that is fine but Graphene does not have a better offering. F-droid is the best we have.
I would trust GrapheneOS, but understand that everyone has their own tolerances for security and the Graphene project is probably at the highest levels.
The GrapheneOS devs were right about F-Droid being less secure when they would sign other dev’s apps. This meant that if anyone were to hack F-Droid, they would get full access to every device using an app installed by them. This issue was fixed just last September.
Now that F-Droid fixed this issue, the responsibility falls on each individual developer to secure their signing keys. Should an app’s signing key be compromised, it would now only impact users with that app installed. Security is about layers, not 100% foolproof solutions.
Graphene OS is not a good source of information.
They’re not a good source of information on Android security? Granted, they’re not perfect, but they are one of the leading teams in terms of Android security. I call BS on anyone calling GrapheneOS a bad source of information for Android security lol.
News regarding vulnerabilities reported to Google and physical attack roadmap
Improvements to factory resets by Google due to reports by GrapheneOS
Any info what the exact problem they had was? Can you search for brothels in that app or what? (I remember you can in OsmAnd)
There’s nothing you can find in open street maps that is not also going to have an equivalent in Google maps. There’s no messaging capability in the app. There aren’t even photos, except if you link it with Wikipedia. I can’t think of a single reason why this would get flagged, even accidentally.
Well some Wikipedia articles could be construed as not appropriate for kids if you’re dead set on removing the app.
I’m thinking of things like Auschwitz or Hiroshima or the Twin Towers where content could be objectionable for children, but also that’s a terrible argument because it’s Wikipedia and it’s a fantastic educational resource.
Wikipedia has images of nude humans in articles about sexuality and genitals, so that would be a possible reason there; not applicable to OSM.
Good point, that too, though that would presumably be harder to find exclusively through the app since I assume the linked articles are primarily about locations / landmarks
There definitely is data in OSM that isn’t in Google Maps, that is what makes OSM so great! :D
Absolutely true. I just updated a neighborhood area yesterday that is completely wrong in Google. I didn’t mean to imply that it’s identical, just comparable in terms of content.
But Wikipedia app is on the Google store… I won’t pretend to understand the logic of the indefensible.
I literally downloaded this two days ago. Wtf
Get Organic Maps from F-Droid. Start taking power away from Google. It’s in your own hands.
Likewise, new android user and it’s far easier than OSM in my Vivaldi browser.
As much as I love fdroid and I love to be in a community where this recommendation is made repeatedly, the announcement suggests to download from https://cdn.organicmaps.app/apk/OrganicMaps-24081605-GooglePlay.apk while they appeal. From the way they wrote the announcement, I understand Android Auto won’t work with the fdroid version.
I’m angry that Google prevents sideloaded apps from running on Android Auto. I think this is against the recent EU laws about gatekeepers.
That’s funny I just installed it yesterday but decided to use f-droid instead. Going to be my default going forward.
It’s back up now. It seems to have been a mistake to block it.
They are testing out how the community would respond :]
This is not the first time the play store removes an app for absolutely no reason and then refuses to explain why it did so, and it won’t be the last. Usually they don’t just reinstate the app for no reason.
I don’t think it was a mistake, but even if it was, they do not have proper communications to resolve such mistakes.
