As a software engineer I find it miraculous the amount of people that whine about somebody wanting to get paid for putting weeks, months, and years of their life into a product 100s of thousands of people CHOOSE to use.
So many people sound more like “What do you mean making a website costs more than $20?” types than they realize.
Have been using the Sync reddit app daily for years after paying a couple of quid to remove ads whenever I did that. Felt like a steal then and expensive now so, on balance, I’m comfortable having paid the ad randsome. I feel better knowing it all goes to the developer for his personal efforts.
And it’s a very high quality app, to boot. I’ve been a mobile software engineer for more than a decade and this level of polish doesn’t just happen by accident
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Don’t forget the legend of the un-pooper and the beans can craze.
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I miss the beans
…Those were the days
The way i look at is if you give me a good app(sync) with good functionality and a nice ui I don’t mind seeing ad’s or throwing some money the devs way.
My big issue with the reddit app was there was no equivalent exchange going on i had a shitty app with awful ui that was buggy slow showed me adds and tracked my data I didn’t get anything from that so I had to stop.
Same. I’m very grateful for the FOSS options, they’re like a public option. They create a baseline that paid apps have to surpass, but there’s nothing wrong with devs getting paid for their work and that payment shouldn’t have to be at the whims of donations. I view it as more choice and more choice is good. This is a small dev on an open platform that can’t lock out FOSS options. It’s not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.
It’s not a mega corp building a monopoly. Sync is not hurting anyone by being a paid option.
Wouldn’t they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?
Not sure though if the dev already automatically donates a portion of his sells to lemmy.
Wouldn’t they see this as a dev trying to make some fortune over non-profit service?
On the other hand, I’d like to see how the donations to the non-profit are being utilized. At least with for-profit we know what’s what.
Paying is fine, it’s the SHIT TON OF THIRD PARTY TRACKERS they put in the app that worry me
They get completely disabled if you pay, that’s the point. I haven’t got a single tracking ping on my PiHole, I bought adfree.
Wait… you pay for sync not to spy on you?
I hope boost doesn’t go the same way.
Sync is no spying no shit, google ads spy as much as they do in any other site or app you use
Dawg, I have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and a phone OS owned by Google… If sync spying on me is the worst part then I’m doing pretty good.
I pay 2 bucks a month to show the dev I appreciate his hard work.
If you own a Pixel you could always use GrapheneOS! It’s been wonderful on mine!
Graphene on my Fairphone is pretty great. I do use Sync though because it’s great 🙃
No NFC payments, sadly 😞
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Not Sync directly, it’s AdMob and Google. And I paid mainly to support LJ for making one of my favorite apps ever, as I said, I have a PiHole
My trust was already broken. These lemmy instances come free of charge, free of ads and free of trackers, and this pig of a dev comes around and pulls out an à la spez shenanigan and everyone praises him. He should be keelhauled. And the lemmy servers should block apps that insert ads unless they share profits. I’d be happy to pay for features that add to lemmy, not for features that were taken away. Fuck sync for lemmy. There, i said it
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How do I give more money than I already have to this pig of a dev who made the Lemmy experience so great to me and countless others such that it is now in the top 10 social apps on the Play store?
You need some perspective lmao
If they demand payment for third party dev they wouldn’t be free open source anymore, your argument is asinine. If you don’t want to use a paid app then don’t, stop acting like someone else doing it is in some way hurting you personally.
Not getting into this argument because I personally don’t give a shit about the whole situation, but that isn’t really how FOSS works.
The software itself is free, the servers themselves are a service however. That is not free, it may be free to US, but somebody is footing the bill.
That being said, if the sync developer is developing an app for a platform that itself does not use ads and relies solely on donation, ethically speaking he should at least donate some of the profit to the Lemmy devs (even if just 1%), considering that the app DOES rely on their software and they themselves are not seeing any of those funds whatsoever. I have no problem with donations whatsoever, but keep in mind that it isn’t like sync is the greatest creation ever made and is totally self reliant, it 100% depends on Lemmy itself to function.
Whether he does or not doesn’t matter to me because jerboa works perfectly fine for me, but that is just my .02. People are really getting way too fucking heated about this shit and seeing it start to infect spaces like shitpost is honestly turning me off to Lemmy.
People are treating the app like the second coming of Christ FFS.
I mean… I personally do consider it the second coming of Christ 🤷
More fanatical than arch users, that’s coming from one himself.
It is.
Correct, the use of the service at the moment is free the fee l third party creators are charging for their service in development of that particular interface. They’re free to do that.
Who says he doesn’t? You legit don’t know what deal they may or may not have, stop assuming.
Bro it’s shit post… What standards are you holding it to here lol.
No people are overdueing a joke as always on shit post and as usual people hop in and get way too serious about throwaway jokes.
If he is donating, then he should tell people that he is donating. The whole idea of “if you tell people of your goodwill then you undid your goodwill” is stupid. Yes, you shouldn’t do something good with the expectation of a reward, but that’s different when you are selling a product.
It’s not even just about goodwill, it is also about longevity of the platform.
However, considering the facts that he is running ads and charging for ad-free access, I doubt he is donating by default unless he specifically mentions it.
Also, I’m not holding any standard here, it’s just that like, shitpost is for actual shitposts. This isn’t a shitpost, it’s just starting another argument. It’s like the porn spam in /b/, there are other boards for that.
It’s also not just here, I’m seeing boards everywhere popping up with this argument. It is getting old.
Freeloader. Enjoy your free stuff off the backs of people doing all the work and paying all the bills.
Freeloading, hmm?
When was the last time you made a unprompted decision to donate to the Lemmy devs?
Yeah, how come some nefarious people charge for a calendar app, if days are free!!?oneTurd D:<.
/S
lmao
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Lemmy needs more drama. When all is perfect it’s too bland.
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(Does this make you want to eat rotten veggies?)
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This makes me want to eat brains
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I’m confused. Are you suggesting a better way to monetize non-paying users or are you saying that the dev should make the app free for everyone to use without ads?
He should not add anti-features where there are none and then ask for money to remove them. That’s just being an asshole. He should ask for money for good features that lemmy lacks, not turn Lemmy into Reddit
“Anti-features” = 1 very obvious ad every time I load a new page.
Feel better now?
A lot better
I mean your name is “codemaster” where is your free to use lemmy app ? or do you expect to be paid for your coding efforts?
Let me just bunch up some third party trackers and ads in a pretty UI and ask you for money real quick
That’s where I’m at. Don’t care that it’s not FOSS or the Dev charges. I just wouldn’t support an app that puts trackers and ads on a product that inherently doesn’t. Putting it behind a paywall wouldn’t bother me a bit.
That said, that’s why I don’t use it nor support it but don’t give a shit if someone else does.
Let me get this right - you’re worried about tracking it use an Android phone?
I’m running a custom ROM. Go back to your ecoshitstem apple fanboy
I’m just happy for anything that brings people to Lemmy
I once did an amazing milkshake
Honestly I’m using, and especially posting on, Lemmy much more often now that I have sync back.
I had been using Sync for Reddit for so many years that it became muscle memory. Now I have it back and things just feel right.
I’m still waiting for Boost, but Sync is fine for now 🙂
Do you have access to an unreleased build? Still no post submission functionality on mine just yet (commenting from Sync).
Sync is still just in beta so a bunch of features are lacking. Post submission will come with time.
Definitely. I’m just wondering because they referred to posting on Lemmy more frequently with Sync - curious if there’s another build or whether they meant commenting specifically.
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i use sync btw
Can’t we just be happy that we’re not on Reddit instead of fighting over which UI we prefer!?
Maybe the real Reddit was the arguments with friends we made along the way
Aw that’s sweet
Fuck you
I feel at home <3
Aww I missed the wholesome Reddit moments.
Awww, fuck you too!
We’re ALL Reddit/Lemmy on this blessed day.
The fact we can even pick between multiple UIs is a blessing lol
Many of us left reddit due to which
AIUI we prefer. So I can see why this happens now.Not picking on you, but I see people use “AI” instead of “UI” more and more these days and I wonder if it’s part of the reason all startups suddenly feel like they have to introduce AI features — everyone keeps talking about how important it is after all
I wonder what these people think AI means…
In my case it is auto correct on my phone. Maybe because people text about AI so much that their auto correct thinks it is supposed to be AI instead of UI. Like mine did.
I thought it was due to wanting to try a non corporate alternative to social media. Before Spez mishandling of the incident I was ready to just use old.reddit.com on Firefox and figure out how to get RES onto mobile, or just use it less and more on desktop only. Had he just quietly let the protest pass by without throwing a tantrum I’d probably still be using reddit.
Had he just quietly let the protest pass by without throwing a tantrum I’d probably still be using reddit.
Honestly, if reddit has just been upfront and said “we need to consolidate where people browse our site on mobile for our IPO”, people would still have been annoyed but i don’t think all the drama would have taken place. The issue was really just in the way that the management handled the situation by giving devs a “fuck you” API pricing and acting like TPA devs were being unreasonable for not wanting to pay the ridiculous fees. If they had just been upfront and honest then I don’t think I’d be here on lemmy.
That plays a role for a lot of people probably. I’d think the majority got ripped over the edge by the third party app thing because the default UI in the app and browser are just worse.
Didn’t most of us? If you were happy using reddit app you are almost certainly still drooling on yourself scrolling through the super sexy posts on /askreddit and think Lemmy is probably the name of a band that nerds like.
Agreed.
I use two and it’s okay. I uninstalled Reddit app today and deleted every account. I already had did it on the main start of July but the other accounts had to follow through
I’m not fighting, I just want sync users to shut the fuck up and stop advertising their app at every possible minute, because those of us who aren’t using it have already decided it isn’t the one for us.
I didn’t use Sync with reddit but since it’s the best one for Lemmy… Here I am! On Sync! Enjoying it!
I’m not an Android user, so I don’t know Sync, but it’s bound to be a better Lemmy app than those godawful cross platform ones. I’m glad it exists!
It definitely is, but mostly because it’s got 10 years of a head start UX wise since it used to be a reddit app.
I cannot find Sync on F-Droid.
sync is not open source
Oh ok, thanks.
Using Jerboa and it’s good.
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Jeroba on mobile, web app inside of firefox with adblockers on desktop.
I used Jeroba while I was waiting for sync to come out. Personally it’s really no competition, it’s great that it is being worked on but Jeroba is significantly worse in every way except for being open source. Hopefully someday it will be great!
Synk is just so polished comparatively everything else feels unfinished
I ditched Jerboa for Liftoff, and then Liftoff for Thunder because they all kept breaking.
Thunder was alright, all things considered, but the UI is lacking. Now that Sync is out, I’m back to where I started 12+ years ago.
Jerboa feels a lot like Joey
Not quite, but close
I don’t know who or what Joey is.
Joey was a reddit client. It was the one I used, I liked it best. But Jerboa didn’t remind me of Joey at all.
The layout does for me.
My reply to all the naysayers:
Thanks for making Lemmy feel like home, it wouldn’t without you!
The reality is it’s a free world, regardless of what morality you put on things there are going to be things that happen that you don’t like. That’s life.
Like it or not Lemmy has had explosive growth because of apps like Sync. Because of them being killed off by Reddit. If it weren’t for the drama of Reddit doing that, I and millions of other users wouldn’t be here right now as we’d still be on Reddit.
Even people who weren’t using the 3rd party apps left Reddit because Reddit’s actions left a bad taste in their mouths.
So, morality of one guy charging for his honest work in creating the paid or ad supported app aside, you should be thanking the apps including sync for helping drive so many users to Lemmy.
If you yourself don’t want to use a paid app, then that’s okay! We’re all allowed to respond or react to things how we want, but being incredibly divisive for something that a lot of people wanted and that really is inconsequential is almost universally frowned on.
Just let people do what they want and don’t shoot them down for it. More options for browsing Lemmy = more Lemmings = more content.
Much love my dudes! We may disagree on this but we agree on many many many more things I’m sure, just because we’re on Lemmy instead of Reddit in the first place is proof of that! ✌️
Well put. Also, I hope this whole topic dies soon.
Me too. I can’t wait for the next subject of Lemmy drama! It makes me feel alive! 😂
Yeah I feel the same. Used sync for Reddit for YEARS too. I’ve been using Lemmy way more since Sync launched. I’m happy with it 🤷.
I personally stopped browsing Reddit once getting sync. It just FEELS right.
I haven’t looked into what Sync is but it sounds like it’s more than just
RedditLemmy?Also a paid app?
If it’s a paid app then that makes me think quality to be honest. It’s probably misguided, but my default is to feel that if you need to pay up front for an app it’s going to be higher quality and not full of ads/microtransactions.
Free with ads. Paid either once or monthly to get rid of ads.
It’s a wonderful app.
Personally, I don’t give a flying fuck what client any of you use as long as you are here. :)
Hear hear!
I’m absolutely thrilled to have sync on the Fediverse, and will happily pay for a yearly subscription to help ensure LJD has sufficient compensation to keep the app up-to-date with whatever changes come to the Android/Lemmy APIs years down the road.
The problem with (even excellent) free apps for platforms like this, is they require consistent maintenance to keep up with both the platform they run on (Android), and the platform they serve content for (Lemmy). That is not a trivial amount of work, and is absolutely deserving of continued, recurring compensation IMO.
A one-time payment might make sense for a simple native game that gets produced once, has no web component, and never needs another update for its entire lifetime, but not for this. You aren’t paying for a singular product, you’re paying for a service. You wouldn’t go to the barber and winged about needing to pay every time I get my hair cut.
Remember folks whether you choose to use sync or another lemmy app none of us are using reddits shitty mobile app and in that way we are all winners
This to me is the most salient point. I think this initial noise will fade away once the various options are all available.
It will never completely go away because people love to be tribal but it will probably settle into puticular communities where people can talk about the different lemmy apps
I’m on both so there’s that and I ain’t rebuying sync when all he literally did was a copy and paste job.
Are you stupid? The backend is completely different and there are many many changes required since the fundamental concept of federation-based services is different and requires different user decisions, which need a UI. No instances on Reddit, are there? So there’s not an infinite number of log in urls, there is no need to gracefully handle defederation, instance-level blocking, etc.
It’s not a copy paste job.
Also, he offers a “restore purchases” button. It’s in settings.
