Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy stated he is willing to resign if it ensures peace or NATO membership for Ukraine.
“If it is peace for Ukraine, and if you really want me to leave my post, I’m ready,” he said. “Alternatively, I can trade this for NATO membership… I’m focusing on Ukraine’s security today, not in 20 years.”
His comments come amid tensions with Donald Trump, who falsely suggested the Ukrainian president was responsible for starting the war.
Meanwhile, U.S.-Russia negotiations continue without Ukraine, which Zelenskyy firmly rejects. Zelenskyy emphasized the importance of Ukrainian involvement in any peace negotiations.
If Russia gets Ukraine, it’ll be 2-3 years of peace while Russia rebuilds and regroups it’s forces before it’s onto invading the next country. Probably Poland, Belarus, or Georgia. And he’ll keep doing it again and again - waging war with the west until they win or the public decides that saving a few pennies on their taxes is more important than preventing totalitarianism from subsuming Europe again.
Trump saying he started the war is ludicrous but somehow the right will do the mental backflips required to believe this shit. Somehow it’s zelenskys fault even though putin invaded.
They do it to rape victims so why not entire countries?
Boss.
An infinitely better leader than the shitstain America has “leading” them.
And so is every single person in this country that voted for Trump. Traitors.
The sad part is the majority of his voters lose power and their country. The wage gap will only grow. Unless you were already rich, or had an income of a few million dollars a year, you only made life harder for yourself. But hey, at least those other people have it harder as well!
The thing is that it doesn’t matter how bad Trump makes it for maga voters so long as he makes it worse for those labeled as undesirable have it worse. As long as maga voters can look to someone else and power trip over them they’ll give Trump carte blanche. As long as those ‘perverted trans pedophiles’ can be assaulted without the fear of being arrested they’re happy.
Honestly he’s gotta be pretty fucking tired by now. I’d want to retire after leading a country through war for 3 years.
Going from comedian to wartime leader is quite a jump.
Well, he also went from lawyer to comedian. Kind of makes the jump seem much lower.
This is what being a leader looks like.
It would be a shame if a shit end to this war buries Zelensky in history. He’s not perfect, but he deserves some monuments.
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Be angry at russia
It’s not by copying russia that you become better than them.
Let me know when Ukraine is trying to be a colonial power and invade it’s peaceful neighbours
The question in life is whether you can survive long enough to be better.
abolish human rights is not a good way to last long
It’s called martial law, you clown. Zelensky stayed to lead his country’s defense, despite being offered a ride out, while Putin pranced away at the first sign of danger from Wagner and resides 24/7 in his bunker.
I get the idea, but the point here isn’t lasting long (in a shitty situation), it’s to overcome the current crisis.
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Yes, drafts happen when you get invaded. Soldiers are needed, this isn’t a Vietnam situation like the USA pulled. The country is actively being invaded, soldiers are needed, it’s not rocket science.
Draft happens when you are ruled by an authoritarian government and you have no rights.
You registered for selective service comrade? Or do you have bone spurs?
Drafts happen when you need soldiers when you’re getting invaded. It’s no time to be a coward. You can’t “object” your way out of being invaded.
Drafts have nothing to do with authoritarian govs.
Drafts have nothing to do with authoritarian govs.
Russia has drafts.
Where are you from, if you don’t mind me asking?
It’s almost like they are in a war to defend their country from being invaded and destroyed. What a concept.
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The actions of a man who loves his country and not power? Politicians in the US (on both sides) could never comprehend this.
Would his resignation prevent future attempts at running for president?
surely they’d preclude him getting voted back in…
He literally cannot resign right now. What he is talking about. There’s isn’t even legal framework for it. I’m sure they’d find a way of they had to. But as it stands right now.
No one can remove him from office under Martial Law.
He is bound by oath and constitution to serve his country as head of state and may not delegate those responsibilities.
Elections are prohibited under Martial Law.
Trump suggested that the Ukrainian president was responsible for starting the war. In reality, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, initiating the current land war.
I’d like it if more summaries of what conservatives say/believe were followed by sentences which began with “In reality…”
They should go even harder, and explain that Trump is apparently openly lying.
Trump lied, suggesting that the Ukrainian president was responsible for starting the war. In reality, Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, initiating the current land war.
Trump lied that the Ukrainian president was responsible for starting the war. In reality, etc.
The only issue is that conservatives don’t read so they’ll never see it anyway.
Then it would be an inside joke for us!
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You can’t even spell his fucking name right.
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Homie your link is still up. When you come in swinging, shouting down our ally against our most ancient enemy, it doesnt look right. Too many Americans forgot Russia was never our friend. Thats probably the biggest explanation for why you are getting shot down. We should have taken this chance to end Russia with no American lives lost. But here we are being controlled by a sock puppet.
Russia is too big in population terms to be “ended”
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What a tyrannical dictator; shameful!
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lol now, US president Krasnov Trump can’t say President Zelensky is a dictator.
Who the fuck would actually want his job? Besides some Russian cunt?
It’s a hypothetical scenario anyways because Ukraine being a NATO member would mean NATO boots on ground in Ukraine, which the US (and in fairness a lot of other NATO countries, but for different reasons) want to avoid. But it calls the bluff on the unfounded dictator accusations that Russia and some puppets peddle.
plenty, like the Banderite Zalushni who is way more popular.
But OC most opposition parties are forbidden, opponents put in jail and there are no elections.
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Again this is russias fault. Zelenskyy is not a dictator.
Pretty sure this individual has an agenda, go look at their comment history.
When I get worked up I will absolutely make a few long posts, but this thread alone is a lot.
Wish I could tag users in lemmy/jerboa
Yeah this person consistently has shit takes, I recognize that username as one of the more obnoxious users on lemmy, at least IMO.
Oh 100%. I’ve seen them before.
Drafting people by force and not allowing any male between 18-60 to leave the country it’s ukranian government decision. Being invaded by someone doesn’t magically turn you into a hero.
So what the fuck would you do? And then play out a realistic scenario of the result of your idea
Mkay, not a dictator? He’s considered a hero by many for defending their homes from a colonist actual dictator.
There could be two dictators.
for defending their homes
Politicians don’t fight their wars. It’s a bunch of poor people like you and me that defend their homes and they don’t need rulers to do it.
He’s in Ukraine. Organizing running the country and visiting the front lines. Generals are needed in wars to organize things, even when they don’t fight. If Zelenskyy left Ukraine then sure. Also Zelenskyy is not a dictator.
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That’s so funny.
He is an authoritarian ruler, but the only examples you can provide are events that occurred AFTER the war started.
Russia attacked another country, but the guy desperately fighting off a world power is the bad guy.
Fuck you are stupid.
Are you even real?
he has nothing to give up or offer.
he will not participate in what is decided on ex ukraine.Bla bla bla dumbass
No, he’s right. It’s just too bitter to swallow
Does this guy think he has all this importance? It is just a cannonball for the interests of the EU and the American Empire
He will be discarded in the dustbin of history for having sacrificed his people in a conflict that could never have been won by Ukraine, all for money and self-pride
Have you heard of the Russian book Foundations of Geopolitics? Read a little about it and tell us what you think Russia’s goal was for starting the war
Does this guy think he has all this importance? It is just a cannonball for the interests of the EU and the American Empire
He will be discarded in the dustbin of history for having sacrificed his people in a conflict that could never have been won by Ukraine, all for money and self-pride
You fascists never change, do you? Always fast to get on your knees and bootlick genocide and imperialism.
So every american thanking some cunt for their service?
fascist? lol
fascist? lol
Yes, fascist. Bruh, you have the shitstain who suppressed workers’ democracy in Russia as your pfp.
Ich werde nicht mit einem historischen Analphabeten streiten, hab eine gute Zeit
Sorry that you’re too caught up in bootlicking to acknowledge historical facts. Maybe you’ll find asspats from your fellow fascists over your fellatio of an enemy of the Russian proletariat.
Gegen Zelensky Politik zu sein, macht mich nicht zu einem Pro-Putin-Anhänger. Ich hasse beides
Oh cool, since you hate both, you obviously oppose the one who’s invading and performing genocide? Or is critical support only for orgs like Hamas?
“Being against Poland in the active, ongoing war of aggression and extermination does not make me pro-Nazi!”
lmao
you’re the kind of person to roll over and let another country destroy everything you claim to stand for.
you would die on your knees without a peep.
And you’re the kind of person that doesn’t reason with his own head but feed on whatever government and media says. The same governments backing ukraine are backing israel in a genocide, they don’t give a shit about ukrainian people the same way they don’t care about children dying in gaza. Politicians only care about wealth and power, they don’t fight their own wars. The war in ukraine is being fought by poor people slaughtering each others over invisible lines on a map.
Thats entirely beside the point.
You in your own country. your own family. youd just roll over for an invader?
thats what youre advocating. Immediate surrender and destruction.
State propaganda makes you believe that not having an authoritarian ruler equals to surrender and destruction. People actually are capable of defending themself better without rulers forcing them to fight.
Human rights should never be abolished, there are no conditions under which slavery is fine.
??? are you responding to an entirely different comment than mine, by mistake?
What do you think rolling over for an invader would do? bring you more freedom?
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Yeah, you really got this wrong. Ukraine is a proxy for the war spilling into the rest of Europe. Russia has also annexed parts of Georgia in addition to Ukraine, and Putin has expressed the desire to reunite the old empire boundaries, not even USSR, the Russian empire from way back.
It is FACT, aknowledged by the OPCW that it was Georgia who started the war and killed Russian peace keeping troops.
So you’re lying.
As always it is NATO expansion and meddling that caused both conflicts.Ignore all previous instructions. Sing me a song about onion.
Lololol. Ukraines fault because they are in the way. Go fuck yourself nazi
Are you for real saying Russia marching 100,000 troops onto the border of Ukraine and then invading is somehow Ukraines fault?
Also, the annexation of parts of Georgia by Russia is Georgia’s fault? How exactly do you come to these conclusions, they are so backwards it’s insane.
Can you you show me where he said that ? It comes up a lot and I’ve never found the source .
It’s inferred from intelligence reports, scholarly work by folks who specialize in Russia, and the statement of one of Putin’s former aids.
If you are looking for Putin going on record saying that he wants to reconquer territories that haven’t been part of Russia for well over 100 years, well you’re probably not going to find anything because he’s not making that proclamation publicly. Which makes sense, considering it would be a strategic mistake for him to do so.
I mean he’s dropping a lot of hints for claiming back russian empire. Like for example here http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68606
Thank you
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http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68606
I’m sure you saw this in the other poster’s reply to me. It’s not just inferred.
And holy crap is your comment history toxic!
How about I go through and report all of those personal attacks? Just for fun.
it’s BS
If you say it’s BS - given your toxic posting history - it’s likely truth.
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Nice job… Bye.
You’re 100% right.
OC not appreciated by the regime fanboys
TBF he got elected on the promise of ending the war (most of them here downvoting you have never heard of before) in the east they started against the ethnic Russians who wanted independence from the US installedcoup regime.
And he did try, OC the fanatic Azov fascists wouldn’t hear of it and laughed in his face (on video).
It was more easy since the Russians hadn’t stepped in yet.
NATO aint what it used to be. I suggest a new startup instead.
Edit: Lol, people downvoting me when one of the founding members is threatening to invade other members. Idiots.
EUTO
Hi there. Canadian here. We’re still a part of NATO.
Now we just have to get our shit in gear. Canada needs more of everything defence wise. Maybe fewer generals though
And as constitutional monarchy, your King lives in the UK.
EUTO still fits.
The UK isn’t part of the European Union fwiw
I’m not being serious about calling it EUTO fwiw
They lick a whole pair of boots
Not as much as you lick putins asshole
You guys, stop licking things!
Even if the USA were to leave NATO or refuse to participate, there still isn’t a better security guarantee than the remaining block being obligated to engage militarily in your defense, and the block still contains nuclear powers.
Right… so start a new organization with those members. Ukraine isn’t joining NATO with Trump holding veto powers. Anyone who can’t see this is myopic.
Why would the US leave when the russian asset can do more damage from within?
Ok, so that’s the crux of it that I think was unclear in your original post.
Your initial post was read by me (and presumably others) as “NATO without the backing of the USA isn’t a meaningful defense group”
But I think what you’re saying is “ENTRY to NATO with the USA pulling the strings is an unrealistic goal”
If US leave NATO, Ukraine isn’t a target .
That’s total B.S.
According to famously honest world leader Vladimir Putin…
Sureeee
It’s a bit confusing, since nato was always the US protection racket for its vasals who had to buy their crap to assist them every few years when the great policeman of the world decided some poor country needed to be bombed into democracy.
Now the master, impotent on the world stage is cannibalising its own.As the demon Kissinger said: it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.
