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But the high rate of attrition from the programme is a concern, he adds: less than one-third of people who are referred to the programme actually start it, and fewer still complete it.
This is always going to be the problem with any eat less and move more programs. Its not that all fat people are unaware of how to lose weight in this method (although some will and this will be useful for them) but that it is fucking hard for a lot of people to stick to, forever. Just look at the amount of people who successfully lose weight and then put it back on again a few years later, some studies have it at over 80% of people.
No other addiction program is trying to fix an addiction that you still have to consume what you are addicted to. No other addiction program is battling the pervasiveness of advertising and availability of “bad” or excessive quantities.
Until its treated properly as a proper addiction with similar alternatives like opiods to block behavior its just not going to fix itself.
I lost a fair amount of weight last year. I have it all back and more. I’m only about 20 pounds heavier total, but dieting is only temporary. Keeping control of weight really is a lifestyle choice.
Are you saying that there is an alternative to eating?
No, that there are and needs to be more alternate ways to manage the physical and mental addiction to excessive quantities of food such as appetite suppressants like Liraglutide and Semaglutide, similar to how methadone is a long to permanent part of a proper treatment plan to deal with opioid addiction.
We will need more such tools as there are many reasons people become addicted to excessive food and we will need multiple ways to treat it not just appetite suppressants. It has to be part of a proper treatment plan like we have with opioids in some countries that combine things like counseling and support groups with the medication.
Failure to treat this like a proper addiction and we will have the same lack of success we currently get from “move more, eat less” for long term weight loss. Its like telling smack addicts to stop shooting up or an alcoholic to just stop buying booze, it does not work.
Excellent, thank you for that well reasoned response. I appreciate it!
Was the programme Jamie Oliver’s sugar tax? No it fucking wasn’t and now everything tastes like shit.
Geez you’d be fucking broke if there was a salt tax.
You’d be fucking broke if there was a heat tax, because that insult was FIRE.
Never seen a quokka murder someone before
I think I’m still alive, but I would like to order one death by Quokka please.
Nah, everything would be the same price but there’d be no salt in it.
I’ve always been staggered at people hating Jamie Oliver and sending him death threats for… making children’s school dinners healthier and… Pushing for increasing the cost of a can of coke by 5p and using the extra tax revenue to aid in childhood obesity prevention schemes.
Doesn’t seem like such a bad thing to me lmao. The greasy pucks of gristle you ate at school when you were younger and called turkey twizzlers weren’t good food. That’s nostalgia talking.
I don’t hate Jamie Oliver. I just recognise that his initiatives come from a slightly misguided sense of privilege.
The school dinners initiative was good. I’m glad kids aren’t eating turkey twizzlers all the time (I don’t think I’ve ever had one myself but I wouldn’t begrudge people who want them).
The sugar tax however is a flaming pile of bullshit. Coke are pretty much the only company that forced the 5p increase onto the consumer. Almost every single other manufacturer kept their price the same and swapped out a bunch of sugar for sweetners, giving you no option but to have diet or semi-diet everything. It just allowed corporations to line their pockets by cutting costs and the general public doesn’t drink any less sugary drinks.
