This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.

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    1. Me. Obviously. Since I’m bitching about it.

    Yeah, “bitching” is a good description.

    1. After 2016, I’m very wary of ignoring the influence of trolls on discourse.

    Did I tell you to ignore it? Your mode of discourse is the problem. What I did say is that it will have the opposite effect of what you are apparently trying to achieve. The more convinced the left is that the Democrats hold them in contempt, the more they will see Democrats and Republicans as two sides of the same coin. You are pushing people away.

    For decades it was absolutely true that there was almost no difference between the two parties, each competing to out-neoliberal the other. Biden has inched the Democrats left, and Trump has taken the Republicans full fascist. That’s what you should focus on.

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      Did I tell you to ignore it?

      You asked “Who cares?” and I pointed out who cares and why. Don’t know why answering your question is upsetting.

      What I did say is that it will have the opposite effect of what you are apparently trying to achieve. The more convinced the left is that the Democrats hold them in contempt, the more they will see Democrats and Republicans as two sides of the same coin. You are pushing people away.

      So you didn’t actually read what I said, despite the fact that my explanation consists of the vast majority of the comment you’re replying to, and just presumed that I was trying to convince pseudoleftists still. Okay. Cool. Good talk.

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        Down voting every comment your opponent makes is such a bitch move.

        I read what you said. It’s nonsense. The impact of your posts on actual leftists and also average voters is what I was addressing.

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          I read what you said. It’s nonsense.

          That’s a convenient excuse for not actually addressing it.

          The impact of your posts on actual leftists and also average voters is what I was addressing.

          Oh, so it’s your opinion that actual leftists are sitting here on the fence about whether or not to welcome fascism, but someone calling out people who, say, condemn AOC and Bernie as insufficiently pro-Palestine for critical support when the GOP has become an openly fascist party, is what tips them into welcoming it. Okay. Weird people to call actual leftists, but alright, you do you.

          Average voters are not going to be turned away by rejecting the kind of people who say “The US has always been a fascist country, and nothing will change anyway”. In fact, welcoming those kind of people will turn off the average voter. But I guess fascists painted red get treated with kid gloves, and everyone else gets the gauntlet.

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            Let me clue you in about something. It’s not all about voting. You don’t just need the left to vote for your candidates, you need them attending rallies, canvassing, running voter registration drives, making phone calls, and getting their friends to vote. You know, all the shit you don’t do. The left will vote for the shitty candidate the Democrats gave us because we always do, but driving down enthusiasm on the left damages all those other things that are critical to winning. That’s what you’re fucking up

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              I wonder if you missed the original point of the post? It’s criticising people who call themselves leftist for rejecting AOC and Bernie, the two highest profile most left leaning politicians in the USA, for not being perfect. You know, the two people who got famous by caring about people on low wages.

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            If Biden loses it will because of this arrogant clueless attitude being pervasive in the Democratic leadership. But sure, go ahead and try again to win an election by berating voters. I’m sure it will work this time!