• SwingingTheLamp
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    1 year ago

    The thing I hate most about Israel apologists is the way that, for them, history always starts with the latest action against the country, totally ignoring its egregious actions all the way back to when it was founded by genicidal terrorist groups, who then became its official military.

    Gee, ya think that maybe the support for Hamas doesn’t stem from its anti-Jewish stance? Maybe there’s something else going on that perhaps the people might be reacting to? Also, who created Hamas?

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      1 year ago

      I think most Israel supporters start the clock in 1948… When 5 Arab Nations attacked them simultaneously. Israel has been under attack ever since, so the claim that it’s the past 75 years is utterly bullshit. Even Hamas has said this has nothing to do with the conditions of the strip and is because they want to wipe out Israel entirely… same thinking as day 1.

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        1 year ago

        Indeed, as always, starting the clock with the blowback, casting Israel as the feckless victim, omitting the Nakba, and everything that happened in 1947 and earlier.

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          1 year ago

          If you’re able to learn about the Nakba, then you’re more than capable of learning about the hundreds of years of pogroms and attacks on Jews in the region. The list for the town of sfat is interesting.

          But nah, ignore the 900,000 Jews forced out of their homes in the region and focus on the 200,000 Arabs. Sounds exactly like what we’re seeing all around, the elimination of Jewish history of the region. Good thing the history is documented and ain’t going anywhere.

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            1 year ago

            Yes, I can learn that even the events in Sfat/Safed were part of an escalating cycle of recriminations. So as you helpfully point out, meeting violence with violence has been going on for hundreds of years, and has solved exactly nothing. As I have said in a separate comment chain, it will just continue to generate atrocity and pain until one of the sides—neither of which is righteous, let’s be clear—decides to take responsibility for its past and starts the slow, complicated process of deescalation.

            And if your gut reaction to that truth is, “they would never do that,” well, go ahead, turn the crank once more, see how it goes.

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              1 year ago

              Agreed. As long as Arabs hate Jews more than they love their children, this will sadly continue.

              Thankfully some Arab Nations like the UAE, have learned this and have normalized relations, creating peace and prosperity for their people. Hopefully the Palestinians learn this lesson quickly, before Hamas sets everything back even farther.