Written by Kirsten Beyer & Davy Perez
Directed by Eduardo Sanchez
Logline
Returning to a planet that dredges up tragic memories, Captain Pike and his landing party find themselves forgetting everything, including their own identities as he confronts a ghost from his past.
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I’ve been waiting for the crew explore a new planet. Hoping there’s more of these episodes than less
Reed Birney’s acting is great. His soft voice is very touching.
– Be in the moment with me.
– We look out for each other. Every night we have our forgetting.
– You are guided by your emotions. They are your truth. I find them convincing. The totem teaches that we live in each moment, embrace them.
I’m a bit undecided about this episode.
Stuff that I liked:
- a strange new(-ish) world
- everyone got something to do, unlike last week
- once again some funny Spock moments
- the visuals on this show are stunning once again. The planet looked nice, the external VFX in the debris field of two celestial bodies that orbited Rigel VII several centuries ago looked nice, the Enterprise interiors look so nice.
Stuff that I didn’t like:
- I’m not a fan of forced relationship dramas. Plus, from the pilot episode I got the feeling that Pike and Batel (does she even have a first name yet?) are only friends with benefits, but now Batel storms off after Pike says he wants to take it easy? Weird.
- how can a society or any sort of structure be maintained if you can’t remember anything? The whole premise felt a bit off.
- the writing for Ortegas was weak. Her personal log at the beginning of the episode sounded like it was written by ChatGPT. And the stuff towards the end of the episode wasn’t great either. The actor did the best she could with what she was given but the writing really didn’t do her any favors.
I like the Pike/Batel relationship dynamic. I like that they’re both captains with their own responsibilities, which is new and different from what we’ve seen in previous iterations of Trek where one is an officer and the other is left at home or something. It doesn’t feel forced to me, although the question of weren’t they just FWB’s is an interesting one, I’d have to go back and look at the pilot. But I’m ok with buying that they’re closer than that but just can’t make it work because they both have ships to captain.
I would like to see more of her being a captain. Hopefully there’s an episode in the future where we get to see her on her bridge doing her thing.
I mean, we had Ben Sisko and Kassidy Yates who both were captains. But I agree with you that Pike and Batel really seem to be equals, and I really like that relationship dynamic.
As I said, from the pilot episode I got the impression that they are friends with benefits who like to hook up when they happen to be in the same sector – no strings attached. (underlined by the fact that Pike had a fling with that lady from the child-killing planet) I think that could be an interesting relationship dynamic to explore because unlike Kirk who had a chick on every planet (with rather unequal dynamics), Pike and Batel both have found someone equal with all the limitations that the jobs brings with it.
I just hope the writing for Batel was an exception in this week’s episode because it didn’t make her look good – being overly emotional and storming off after Pike just stated some facts. I don’t think that’s the type of female character they should be aiming for nowadays.
I’m also in the camp that liked it, Pike since his reintroduction in Disco S2 has been one of the franchises’ most emotionally open captains. Most of the time we see this as this self-assured dad energy he uses when talking to his subordinates, but I think it was good to see how he can be vulnerable but still that genuine, emotionally mature guy with someone who’s on the same level as him.
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Only the workers outside the castle lost their memories. The guards had helmets made of a material that protected them from the worst effects, and the palace shielded those inside.
The end result is a caste system, where you have people who remember and give orders and people who forget and have no choice but to follow.
how can a society or any sort of structure be maintained if you can’t remember anything? The whole premise felt a bit off.
The rulers in the palace could remember, though (because of the shielding provided by some metal). And the workers/slaves remembered enough to perform their tasks.
Just among the ‘field Kalar’, how are there relationships enough to maintain a population? Unless they’re just used to reading a piece of paper “this is my spouse, this is my child” and I guess the deep emotions they talked about as persisting fill in the rest. Still, I think it would be hard to build the relationships without those deep emotions in place. Sorta sounds like “50 First Date” (never saw it but the premise).
@exscape @ValueSubtracted @UESPA_Sputnik Spoiler alert, please!
This is one of the earliest Sci-Fi themes. See: Nightfall by Asimov (1941).
I thought they covered it well in the ep. (Write things down, write things on YOURSELF, etc).
Hm, considering your instance name, are you reading this on Mastodon? I’ve not gotten the hang of how federation with Mastodon works, but I’m reading/writing this on Kbin, and the post is on Lemmy, in the discussion thread for the latest episode, where spoilers for that episode are assumed to exist without warning.
In any case I apologize if you were spoiled by my post, but I’m not sure how to improve things in the future TBH.@exscape @ValueSubtracted @UESPA_Sputnik Yes, I’m reading on Mastodon. Interesting, I may have to stop following the lemmy hashtag. Federation is a fun idea but apparently doesn’t work quite right.
Trying to avoid particular pieces of information is a tough problem for a federated network to solve.
Did anyone else just despise the noise though, loved the episode but for me that noise will make the episode un-rewatchable…
I mean its a little far fetched a simple helmet protects the kmal yet the enterprise hull let it through no problems (until pack modulates the shield), but wont let that get in the way of a good story.
their helmets are made of a special ore that blocks the radiation. it’s a goofy explanation, but there is a reason why they act differently than the enterprise hull
A very TOS episode that I thoroughly enjoyed!
Can we let La’an have a few happy moments in this season? That woman must be riddled with PTSD by now.
It was great to finally get Pike back! Has he ever told his girlfriend that he’s almost certainly going to be disabled? What a pickle he’s in. I think if I were in his shoes I would have let the relationship end. The guilt must be driving him insane.
I feel like they might be messing around with the timelines so that they can save Pike from his horrendous fate and just say it’s an alternate timeline compared to TOS. Normally I’d be against that, but it’s Pike and I love him so much that I almost want them to do it.
The nature of a time crystal is that it’s a fixed event in every timeline forward.
Once Pike drew the crystal on Borath, it was locked in.
Thanks, I should know that, I’ve seen every episode!
In a kind of sad way he does have a happy ending. I just don’t want it to happen to him. Poor old Pike!
Nothing to add pertaining to this last FANTASTIC episode; I really just wanted to say I appreciate everyone posting here. After Reddit, I thought these kind of threads were done for, but here we are. So even if no one reads this, thank you and much love 🙏
We are reading this and I totally agree.
Definitely felt like classic trek this week. Fun episode. I was really hoping we would get a more in depth episode for Ortegas’ character. I did read something last year that she was getting her own episode, so im going to assume this wasn’t it.
I did let out a big guffaw when I realized their bait and switch. Started it out like it was going to be an Ortegas focused episode, and then Spock comes in and pops hers and everyone else’s bubble with his Vulcan science. Loved how she put the hat back on as she was walking away, as if to say “I’m gonna wear this for a while longer because I can, dammit.”
@ieightpi
She didn’t get her own episode but at least a cool hat.😉
Damn I love this show. I can’t help but wonder if Hemmer would have been affected differently by the radiation if he wasn’t a gorn egg popsicle.
Isn’t Spock usually the one to be immune? But he was affected to, so was Una. It’s likely that Hemmer would have been affected as well (for plot reasons anyway).
I almost thought Una’s super healing ability would make her immune/resistant to the radiation damage.
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Sounds like Troi’s telepathic abilities always being mysteriously blocked when the story demands it.
Can the writers stop making La’an suffer? she can’t catch a break lol
Miles O’Brien: “First time?”
I don’t understand that dude, needling the dude with no memory who was beating on him, then acting all surprised when that same dude puts a gun on him. Like, what was he trying to do? It seemed like he was trying to get Pike to kill him, but then he wasn’t. Wtf?
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The way I read the scene was that he was so high off his power that he thought with the tables turned and Pike having no power that he would have the upper hand. But Pike managed to subdue him and High Lord Zacarias was all of a sudden staring down the barrel of a phaser rifle and all of a sudden wasn’t so confident that the Pike he knew, who would lower the weapon once the combatant was subdued, was still there. I think the sudden switch was just an “OH shit, what have I done?” moment.
@Tired8281 @crazycanadianloon yeh that’s my interpretation. For a moment it looks like Pike has not recovered enough to remember he shouldn’t kill someone when he has the upper hand. Zac suddenly changes demeanor when he realises Pike might not show any mercy.
Outside of Pike and Batel’s relationship, are there any points in this episode that look to connect to anything else in the currently ongoing plotline in SNW? I didn’t really notice anything, it seems like this might be the most standalone episode.
Batel’s promotion was nixed by Judge Advocate Pasalk because of her conduct during Una’s trial in “Ad Astra Per Aspera”.
M’Benga mentions that the reason he and La’An were along was because Pike needed people who could fight without phasers (as per “The Broken Circle” and “Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow”).
That’s basically it, I think.
M’Benga
You mean “Dr. Seen-Some-Shit.”
I don’t know if we’ll ever see a full episode with flashbacks to everything he’s been through, but oddly enough I don’t mind the intentionally vague references to it so far–leaves it open for our imaginations (and fan fiction) to fill in the gaps.
That’s probably one of my favorite episodes of the series as a viewing experience, it was pretty entertaining. I don’t think I quite track…the message, though? In the span of about three minutes we get explicitly told that for Pike and Ortegas the memory loss could be revealing experience that identified the core of the self, while for their friend on the planet it was an obscuring experience that robbed him of things he didn’t know were important. You can explain away the difference with plot logic pretty easily, but thematically it’s a bit weird to juxtapose them right next to each other
I think it makes sense that a brief bout of amnesia like that could be revealing of your underlying traits and feelings, but that in the normal course of things it’s very important to have your memories.
Enjoyed this very much, the tone was very creepy. Reminded me of the psychological horror episodes only TNG really did.
I would link it back to psychological mystery of The Cage and further to its touchstone, the MGM 50s classic Forbidden Planet.
Rigel 7 is literally a callback to The Cage
Yes, it’s a direct plot reference to the backstory for The Cage.
I was responding to the comment that it’s like TNG psychological episodes, when I see it as in the tradition of Forbidden Planet where an unknown technology or phenomenon is changing brain function so that subconscious or deep behaviours are revealed.
