14 The Lord will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.
15 What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord God of hosts.
“Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.”
7 If there is among you anyone in need, a member of your community in any of your towns within the land that the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor.
8 You should rather open your hand, willingly lending enough to meet the need, whatever it may be.
9 Be careful that you do not entertain a mean thought, thinking, “The seventh year, the year of remission, is near,” and therefore view your needy neighbor with hostility and give nothing; your neighbor might cry to the Lord against you, and you would incur guilt.
10 Give liberally and be ungrudging when you do so, for on this account the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake.
11 Since there will never cease to be some in need on the earth, I therefore command you, “Open your hand to the poor and needy neighbor in your land.”
If you’re going to follow the Bible, make sure you’re not picking and choosing the parts you want to follow. If the commands from your god are that important, you can’t ignore half of them.
2 Kings 6:28-29
But then the king asked, “What is the matter?” She replied, “This woman said to me: ‘Come on, let’s eat your son today, then we will eat my son tomorrow.’ So we cooked my son and ate him. Then the next day I said to her, ‘Kill your son so we can eat him,’ but she has hidden her son.
Psalm 137:9
Blessed the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock: the children represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated
Leviticus 25:44-46
“Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”
1 Timothy 2:11-12
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”
I don’t follow the Bible and I agree with you. Just pointing out the same hypocrisy from the other side of the equation.
Also, I would argue it would be a very good thing for those who do follow the Bible to selectively follow the parts that say to be nice to people, help those in need, don’t hurt or steal from others, etc. even if it is hypocritical.
I would argue that there’s no longer a reason for religion to exist, but at the same time, as long as it’s not being pushed on those around them, or harming others, I generally just ignore it. It’s absolutely possible to be a good and kind person, who isn’t religious at all. It does bother me though, that people claim that their religious text is unadulterated from the original, and quote it to others as a way to tell them they are bad, and should change their ways, while ignoring anything that’s inconvenient to what they want to pretend their religion is. All 3 of the Abrahamic religions pretend they are about peace and love, but if you read their respective religious texts, there are multiple calls to violence, killing, slavery, misogyny, racism, etc, all of which most of them pretend they are against. Their religions are based on violence and hate, while they pretend they are following a loving god. I grew up in a very religious household, my dad being a pastor, but if you actually pay attention, they’re shit religions, who are based on some pretty awful things. I wish more of the people who embrace the Abrahamic religions would actually pay attention to how awful they are told to be, and realize how bad it is. So many wars and conflicts could be avoided if people realized they were just following violence based on a belief of a non existent deity.
Your quotations seem to be heavily paraphrased, and are really taken out of context from the original stories. These are also not commandments, but rather things that happened in history and were a part of the culture at the time, thus there isn’t really any moral law to “follow” in these verses in the first place.
Isaiah 3
14 The Lord will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people, and the princes thereof: for ye have eaten up the vineyard; the spoil of the poor is in your houses.
15 What mean ye that ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor? saith the Lord God of hosts.
“Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.”
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James 5%3A1-6&version=NIV
Also Deuteronomy 15:
7 If there is among you anyone in need, a member of your community in any of your towns within the land that the Lord your God is giving you, do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor.
8 You should rather open your hand, willingly lending enough to meet the need, whatever it may be.
9 Be careful that you do not entertain a mean thought, thinking, “The seventh year, the year of remission, is near,” and therefore view your needy neighbor with hostility and give nothing; your neighbor might cry to the Lord against you, and you would incur guilt.
10 Give liberally and be ungrudging when you do so, for on this account the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all that you undertake.
11 Since there will never cease to be some in need on the earth, I therefore command you, “Open your hand to the poor and needy neighbor in your land.”
If you’re going to follow the Bible, make sure you’re not picking and choosing the parts you want to follow. If the commands from your god are that important, you can’t ignore half of them.
2 Kings 6:28-29 But then the king asked, “What is the matter?” She replied, “This woman said to me: ‘Come on, let’s eat your son today, then we will eat my son tomorrow.’ So we cooked my son and ate him. Then the next day I said to her, ‘Kill your son so we can eat him,’ but she has hidden her son.
Psalm 137:9 Blessed the one who seizes your children and smashes them against the rock: the children represent the future generations, and so must be destroyed if the enemy is truly to be eradicated
Leviticus 25:44-46 “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.”
1 Timothy 2:11-12
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.”
I don’t follow the Bible and I agree with you. Just pointing out the same hypocrisy from the other side of the equation.
Also, I would argue it would be a very good thing for those who do follow the Bible to selectively follow the parts that say to be nice to people, help those in need, don’t hurt or steal from others, etc. even if it is hypocritical.
I would argue that there’s no longer a reason for religion to exist, but at the same time, as long as it’s not being pushed on those around them, or harming others, I generally just ignore it. It’s absolutely possible to be a good and kind person, who isn’t religious at all. It does bother me though, that people claim that their religious text is unadulterated from the original, and quote it to others as a way to tell them they are bad, and should change their ways, while ignoring anything that’s inconvenient to what they want to pretend their religion is. All 3 of the Abrahamic religions pretend they are about peace and love, but if you read their respective religious texts, there are multiple calls to violence, killing, slavery, misogyny, racism, etc, all of which most of them pretend they are against. Their religions are based on violence and hate, while they pretend they are following a loving god. I grew up in a very religious household, my dad being a pastor, but if you actually pay attention, they’re shit religions, who are based on some pretty awful things. I wish more of the people who embrace the Abrahamic religions would actually pay attention to how awful they are told to be, and realize how bad it is. So many wars and conflicts could be avoided if people realized they were just following violence based on a belief of a non existent deity.
Your quotations seem to be heavily paraphrased, and are really taken out of context from the original stories. These are also not commandments, but rather things that happened in history and were a part of the culture at the time, thus there isn’t really any moral law to “follow” in these verses in the first place.
Not really looking to argue, just adding context.
Leviticus 26: 14-18.
God of wrath and murder. /S