• stoy@lemmy.zip
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      8 months ago

      Ok, I’ll bite, how would you solve the current problem with gangs in Sweden?

      This is a giant clash of cultures, covering you wars and shouting “Racist” over and over will acchive nothing.

      So let’s hear it, how do you suggest solving the current situation?

      Or have you just come to whine?

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        In America migrants just want to be as American as possible as quickly as possible. We don’t have the experience to help you with this one thing. Americans also just learn Spanish for the largest foreign group between their broken English and our broken Spanish we can work out most things no need for state sponsored translators that is a ludacris idea.

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        8 months ago

        How about identifying why these people are joining gangs rather than just “brown people join gangs because theyre brown”

        Perhaps its because they are treated differently than their swedish compatriots or perhaps its a socioeconomic reason.

        Sadly, i do not have the ability to conjecture without data. However, i can make one thing clear. Theyre not joining gangs “just because”.

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          Perhaps it’s because there was a country they could just go to without any supporting reason and live on welfare.

          I live in Russia, I’m confident they’d have the same problem with Russian immigrants if there were a lot of them and if the same rules would apply to them. It’s definitely not culturally superior to Syria, LOL.

          Ah, and to some extent you are right, Swedes are a bit unconsciously racist, I think I’ve seen anonymous polls etc about “whether you’d accept your daughter marrying a ME person” with surprising results. That’s a downside of non-inclusiveness being completely unacceptable in the public space, people are still racist, but there’s no chain of small steps for them to become less so.

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            whether you’d accept your daughter marrying a ME person

            Probably because the knee jerk reaction is that ME person ≈ muslim and even aside from islam, ME cultural values are highly misogynistic and very backwards when it comes to women.

            To be fair, I’d probably be similarly concerned if my hypothetical daughter was looking to marry a deeply religious christian or hindu also.

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              8 months ago

              Fair, but how do you tell that from racism then?

              I mean, one could treat this question as if everything else were fine with that hypothetical person, without assuming something we weren’t old.

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                Honestly, it possibly is a bit racist - making assumptions based on probabilities and stereotypes.

                I am and have been friends and coworkers with several people who were from the ME (muslim and not) and most were decent folks. There was one notable exception (ex of one of my friends) who turned out to be a real piece of work. I’d like to think that by being aware of my prejudices, I can disprove them by informing myself about people, and at least not writing them off until I’ve made myself aware of who they really are.

                Either way, if I had a daughter, I hope I’d raise her well enough to be able to trust her to judge these sorts of things on her own once she became an adult.

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                    Better to be aware of your own prejudices than pretend they don’t exist. Everyone has them, difference is whether you combat them or not.

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        Yeah, “bait”. sweden has one of the lowest crime rates in the entire western world and this article says “overwhelms”.

        This is racial panic at best.

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          What? Organized crime rates have steadily increased over the years compared to our neighbors. What do you even know about Sweden? You know what, fuck it I don’t care, weak bait.

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        8 months ago

        lol.

        It’s not like you offer any suggestions on how to solve the situation. You are just whining.

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          And its not like europeans are offering any solutions beyond the right-wing-US style of thinking of these people are foreign and are bad.