I don’t disagree but it bears repeating. If you ignore the past, you never learn from it. You get repetition. Control of the narrative very much influences the present and therefore, the future.
The devastating illegal war in Iraq was not only costly to human life, but also to the social and economic damage to Iraq and the US afterwards. Ironically it helped create a more virulent terrorism in the region where there was none before. Falsified reports of terrorists in Iraq were a reason for the war mongers and war profiteers to go all out Dr. Strangelove and justify the war.
The financial crisis and the toll it took and its after effects weave right into life today. No one was charged, Bernie Madoff was a perfect fall guy for an entire financial and banking industry that fought against any changes to the way of doing things.
Obama’s admin basically helped enshrine “Too big to fail” and they all got away with the damage they wrought.
Never any repercussions or prosecutions or accountability for people bringing humans to the brink, to one abyss or another. Whether it was Reagan and Iran-Contra, or even Clinton being impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Had Clinton been impeached, perhaps Trump would never have risen. But when people see powerful people getting away with ‘it’, whatever it is, then that creates a future where someone like Trump will get away with ‘it’. You’ve undermined equal under the rule of law and that has blowback.
It’s why I especially hate this idea that you’re not allowed to criticize the party you vote for without being some bOtH siDeS strawman for people. The Democrats fucking suck too, and the mess we are currently in is just as much their fault as it is the Republicans and the American peoples fault. That the Dems have gone to attacking their own voters and trying to censure them is incredibly worrying.
Clinton wasn’t being impeached over a war, he was impeached for getting a blowjob in the Oval Office and lying about it afterwards. Note that during that impeachment thing he fired a bunch of cruise missiles into Sudan and Afghanistan. Obviously just trying to distract from the whole scandal, right? Except that strike was against a little known group called al Qaeda that led by some guy called Osama bin Laden. Had those strikes succeeded in taking out bin Laden it would have been considered completely about a distraction from a scandal.
At any rate, Clinton fired missiles at a bunch of different countries during his presidency. What exactly would have been the lesson had he been impeached for lying about a blowjob? The lesson would be kill whoever you want as long as you don’t have an extramarital affair, or at least don’t get caught! There are no lessons there about firing missiles at countries and the fact that one of those attacks could have prevented one of the biggest terrorist attacks in history, the lesson actually goes the opposite way. Maybe Kissinger was right, the attacks didn’t go far enough.
Sure Clinton probably should have faced more repercussions given he was in a position of power over Lewinsky. But we all know the impeachment had nothing to do with that. Newt Gingrich was doing the same kinds of things after all. It was all just about impeaching Clinton on anything they could find to impeach him on and it was purely political. Had Clinton been removed from power there still would have been air strikes against bin Laden and against Saddam Hussein.
The intent behind Clinton’s impeachment was 100% petty politics, there was no intent based on ethics, and what can we learn from it? Sexual harassment by a democrat will lead to scandal (but no real repercussions) while sexual harassment done by a Republican will not be a scandal and probably be rewarded by the base. But Clinton isn’t running in this election but the “grab 'em by the pussy” guy is. So if you think Clinton should have been removed from power, why are you ok with Trump (who’s at least as bad) regaining power?
But we all know the impeachment had nothing to do with that.
Yes, and now they’ll say it has nothing to do with this. I get the sense you’re implying it was just a blowjob, but then bring up “grab 'em by the pussy”. You are driving my point home for me. These things have an affect, they can ripple through time, having left a bad taste in enough people’s mouths and minds. That can then accumulate.
And I never said I was okay with Trump regaining power. That’s just you saying I said something I didn’t.
Lastly, Kissinger was a pretty horrible human being that you seem to casually quote. A lot of blood on his hands. You think he killed enough human life in Vietnam and Cambodia?
I don’t disagree but it bears repeating. If you ignore the past, you never learn from it. You get repetition. Control of the narrative very much influences the present and therefore, the future.
The devastating illegal war in Iraq was not only costly to human life, but also to the social and economic damage to Iraq and the US afterwards. Ironically it helped create a more virulent terrorism in the region where there was none before. Falsified reports of terrorists in Iraq were a reason for the war mongers and war profiteers to go all out Dr. Strangelove and justify the war.
The financial crisis and the toll it took and its after effects weave right into life today. No one was charged, Bernie Madoff was a perfect fall guy for an entire financial and banking industry that fought against any changes to the way of doing things.
Obama’s admin basically helped enshrine “Too big to fail” and they all got away with the damage they wrought.
Never any repercussions or prosecutions or accountability for people bringing humans to the brink, to one abyss or another. Whether it was Reagan and Iran-Contra, or even Clinton being impeached for lying under oath and obstruction of justice. Had Clinton been impeached, perhaps Trump would never have risen. But when people see powerful people getting away with ‘it’, whatever it is, then that creates a future where someone like Trump will get away with ‘it’. You’ve undermined equal under the rule of law and that has blowback.
It’s why I especially hate this idea that you’re not allowed to criticize the party you vote for without being some bOtH siDeS strawman for people. The Democrats fucking suck too, and the mess we are currently in is just as much their fault as it is the Republicans and the American peoples fault. That the Dems have gone to attacking their own voters and trying to censure them is incredibly worrying.
Clinton wasn’t being impeached over a war, he was impeached for getting a blowjob in the Oval Office and lying about it afterwards. Note that during that impeachment thing he fired a bunch of cruise missiles into Sudan and Afghanistan. Obviously just trying to distract from the whole scandal, right? Except that strike was against a little known group called al Qaeda that led by some guy called Osama bin Laden. Had those strikes succeeded in taking out bin Laden it would have been considered completely about a distraction from a scandal.
At any rate, Clinton fired missiles at a bunch of different countries during his presidency. What exactly would have been the lesson had he been impeached for lying about a blowjob? The lesson would be kill whoever you want as long as you don’t have an extramarital affair, or at least don’t get caught! There are no lessons there about firing missiles at countries and the fact that one of those attacks could have prevented one of the biggest terrorist attacks in history, the lesson actually goes the opposite way. Maybe Kissinger was right, the attacks didn’t go far enough.
Sure Clinton probably should have faced more repercussions given he was in a position of power over Lewinsky. But we all know the impeachment had nothing to do with that. Newt Gingrich was doing the same kinds of things after all. It was all just about impeaching Clinton on anything they could find to impeach him on and it was purely political. Had Clinton been removed from power there still would have been air strikes against bin Laden and against Saddam Hussein.
The intent behind Clinton’s impeachment was 100% petty politics, there was no intent based on ethics, and what can we learn from it? Sexual harassment by a democrat will lead to scandal (but no real repercussions) while sexual harassment done by a Republican will not be a scandal and probably be rewarded by the base. But Clinton isn’t running in this election but the “grab 'em by the pussy” guy is. So if you think Clinton should have been removed from power, why are you ok with Trump (who’s at least as bad) regaining power?
Yes, and now they’ll say it has nothing to do with this. I get the sense you’re implying it was just a blowjob, but then bring up “grab 'em by the pussy”. You are driving my point home for me. These things have an affect, they can ripple through time, having left a bad taste in enough people’s mouths and minds. That can then accumulate.
And I never said I was okay with Trump regaining power. That’s just you saying I said something I didn’t. Lastly, Kissinger was a pretty horrible human being that you seem to casually quote. A lot of blood on his hands. You think he killed enough human life in Vietnam and Cambodia?