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GM’s replacement for CarPlay is due at the end of 2023, but its dealers are in the dark about when that will be and what it will do to sales when buyers figure it out.
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My Miata shipped without CarPlay. When Mazda added support it later they had to replace one USB port ($12 part) and an hour of labor.
They charged $350. I didn’t hesitate for a second. I haven’t met an OEM interface that didn’t make me want to stab myself in the eye.
Hmm. I really am struggling trying to predict the outcome here.
On the one hand, we have a ubiquitous FREE interface that is mature and works via your phone (that 99% of people already have and are familiar with with their own custom music playlists) and is updated constantly.
On the other hand, we have a PAID interface that sucks donkey dick in usability with little to no customization or upgrade ability and will need to be managed completely separately from your phone.
The entire executive team should be escorted out of GM headquarters after receiving swirlies.
I predict no car rental companies will buy these cars because renters would demand a different vehicle.
I’ve worked in this space in the past, and unless car manufacturers have significantly improved their UX chops this will go terribly. Further, this just seems like an opportunity for GM to further DLC’ify the car. Generally Android Auto and Car Play would be standard on even the lowest models, but now you might have to pay a monthly subscription to access this
And in addition to their terrible UX, they are also horrible software maintainers. This will definitely rot over time.
Yeah. I definitely prefer Android Auto/CarPlay as a car agnostic interface for media and navigation over any built-in thing.
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Wireless CarPlay is out there now too. I just had a rental car that had it, and it was very neat! It would connect to my phone while still in my pocket, and if I was going for a short trip there was no reason to even pull my phone out. And then if I was going for a longer trip and wanted to charge my phone I could pull it out and plug into USB, and it didn’t interrupt the CarPlay at all. Very cool.
another was annoyed that they had to plug in their phone to activate CarPlay
I suspect that isn’t a current restriction, or it may depend on the car model. I have a car from 2018 where I have to plug in my phone for Android Auto work. That car is in the shop right now and I have a new 2023 loaner, and the loaner’s Android Auto integration connects directly to my phone via Bluetooth as soon as I start the car. Having experienced both now, I know for sure that wireless Android Auto is gonna be on the list of things I want in my next car.
I have a 2016 Kia Soul (stay away Kia Boyz, it’s a push button start!) And have been using this for wireless Android Auto…
… It’s fantastic.
I like my FCA maps better than Apple’s because they licensed them from Garmin.
I still won’t buy a car without CarPlay.
The only OEM radio interface that was better than CarPlay and Android auto was Ford (Microsoft) Sync, and it was also compatible with CarPlay and Android Auto so you could choose!
Since then, both Apple and Google have improved their interfaces to be on par with Ford Sync.
I’ve seen CarPlay used once. However, I much prefer Tesla’s system. Something about CarPlay seemed laggy and limited. Like, you couldn’t even a read a text; it had to be read to you, even while stopped.
Tesla’s button free UI makes me want to tear my hair out when driving. Like it was designed by phone guys not drivers.
I get that, but I like having the UI be customizable. In the video mode, when parked and charging, I don’t need to see buttons.
I recently got a Kia with Android Auto and my Tesla-driving brother is jealous that I can use Google Maps on a big screen, with no extra car mount.
They really should get together and come up with some standard protocol, instead of having cars use proprietary protocols tied to a specific mobile OS.
If they did, Apple wouldn’t adopt it and we’d be in exactly the same place as we are now.
Probably. At least it would allow connecting to your car without iOS or Google apps.
Can someone explain what exactly carplay/Android auto do? I’ve seen a lot about them recently but have yet to fully understand what they are, besides that they are for interfacing with a car.
My experience with connecting phones to my (parent’s) cars is just using Bluetooth to connect and play music from the car speakers and receive calls and texts over it but that’s about it. The cars are both Toyota RAV4s, one fully ICE one hybrid.
It lets you use the apps from your phone on the screen in the car, instead of having to download separate apps for the car system if that is even possible. The apps are installed on the phone but used through the car touch screen.
This is handy for navigation, music selection and phone calls and texting (using voice to text), because you can continue your stuff from where you were on the phone before entering the car.
You can also use the Google Assistant while driving, so you can do everything that it can do. Some people use Google home for various stuff, so f.i. it’s possible to start your coffee maker and set the temperatures in your house by talking to your car while driving home. Technically you could do that with the assistant without any connection whatsoever but it makes sense to have it on the screen.
And its legal. Touching a phone is illegal while driving, but touching the car screen is not… so there’s that.
Personally I think it would be easier to just use the phone in a holder. However android auto or Apple car play lets you use the buttons on the steering wheel though. Bluetooth also does that to some degree, but not for all apps.
I think it’s a fad, but as of now it’s the most complete integration between the car and whatever services you normally use on your phone.
I feel like a big plus of it too is not requiring additional subscriptions to internet, especially to get live info. Once you reach 2-3 years of your included internet with cars then, its time for the subscriptions for internet and other services to begin. IMO most would want to avoid paying for more subscriptions when you have a perfectly good phone in your pocket that can be hooked up to do everything the car is asking you to pay for monthly. Another thing for me is being able to use your phone or phone keyboard to look stuff up, before you start driving, to find stuff much quicker rather than typing on the infotainment system. Also updates don’t rely on the car manufacturer to continue updating their system.
Thanks, that seems pretty cool! Not a whole lot more than what I can currently do with my phone on a holder, assuming it isn’t using Android auto for the Bluetooth connection and I just don’t know. it already reads texts aloud and can do calls from the car screen, and music can be controlled through it too. I think there is a way to speak back to it too but we’ve never bothered to do the voice recognition training on it
All that bullshit goes away with android auto and carplay. Your car simply is your phone UI, so no more needing to train it, integrate it, sync it, etc… It just does everything as well as your phone does, because it is your phone.
yeah that does seem pretty nice. definitely looking forward to it on any future cars i own!
This is a way to get consumers to go to a subscription based system for getting features they already have on the supercomputer in their pocket.
Other articles about GM’s plan include things like “Google Maps included free for 8 years!”
Well what happens after 8 years? What about if I sell the car? Tesla already has AutoPilot as a non-transerrable item. Even though you might have paid for it, the person you sell the car to has to pay for it again.
“Free” to you likely just means that GM has paid Google for access, and that cost is built into the cost of the car. So it’s not really free.
OnStar costs like $30/mo and is probably required for an internet connection so you can use the “free” Google Maps. Or they’ll sell you some overpriced cellular plan. Or you’ll need to add your car as a separate device on your cell plan for some extra monthly fee.
Do I have to sign in to the car’s version of Google Maps?
What if you prefer Apple Maps and have locations saved there?
The car integration lets me use hands free to initiate streaming music. Using a Bluetooth connection for that means I might need to pick up my phone and unlock it while driving in order to be able to.
But really they want to sell you a Sirius XM plan instead.
My daughter has it. It makes the cars touchscreen a customized extension of the apps interface. So maps or whatever is running on the car’s screen. Some of the controls on the side of the screen also interact with the phone. It’s more integrated than a bluetooth connection.
GM has previously said that people who buy a new GM electric vehicle will get access to features such as Google Maps for free — for eight years. After that, GM expects people to subscribe for what they used to get free with CarPlay, and ultimately sees it giving GM a potential $25 billion revenue stream.
My ten year old Chevy Volt just lost connectivity a few months ago because of the 3g phase out, leading me to unsubscribe from Onstar. How many years of subscriptions are GM planning to have before the next network phase out?
And anyone who used GM’s in-dash maps knows they can’t be trusted to keep their products updated lol
Yeah that’s some crap. At that point I’d just have my maps on my phone in the cupholder, no chance in hell I’m paying a subscription for something my phone already does, hands free laws be damned.
As someone who dosn’t have carplay but whose next vehicle will 100% have it. Yeah… as much as I dislike using my phone as a GPS sometimes compared to have android auto or carplay in a work truck there is zero chance of me spending money on any kinda of GPS while google maps exists.
Please do the world a favor and die already, GM.
My first GM vehicle was a C7 Chevrolet Corvette. I wanted it since it was announced in 2014 but held out until 2016 when it finally got CarPlay. I’ve since traded it in for the 2020 C8 Corvette that also has CarPlay. I bought a dongle that enables wireless CarPlay so I don’t even need to plug it in.
I absolutely love my Corvette and would be interested in buying the next generation. However, I will not consider it or any other GM vehicle if CarPlay is dropped. It is a mandatory feature for me.
How well does wireless CarPlay work?
I find that it works flawlessly in our Mach E. Obviously not a ‘Vette but I think the early wireless CarPlay issues have been worked out.
My '21 Malibu had it out of the box. I can’t speak for Car Play, but wireless Android Auto is 95% flawless. There’s that 5% where I get in and the phone won’t connect automatically. But I think it’s an issue on the phone side. I have to unlock the phone then it kicks in.
Give what the consumers want! Why are they so stupid? I’m assuming they also ditched Android Auto as well right?
Yup. They’re trying to make it to where you subscribe to their “connectivity service,” which is basically paying an additional monthly fee for stuff your phone already does.
I honestly feel like I the perfect window buying a car in 2017.
Massive amounts of features, no subscriptions or connectivity to push software updates.
It’s fascinating reading all of the responses here. I’ve never driven a car with Android Auto or CarPlay, and only use my phone for music and maps infrequently while in the car (with an aftermarket Bluetooth adapter). So I guess I don’t really know what I’m missing. I have absolutely no doubt that GM’s software wouldn’t be as good as connecting up to your phone, but I just have a hard time imagining that being the deciding factor on buying a car or not.
Ditching features that consumers desire could lead to lower sales. More at 11.
Thanks for further solidifying the fact that I’ll never buy a GM car or truck. Good job, ya idiots.
