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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/1376783
Thought I’d never see the day when Firefox would match Chrome on Speedometer.
There’s also a few other benchmarks got a sizable boost. https://arewefastyet.com/
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Speed almost doesn’t matter for me, since Chrome allows ads and Firefox actually lets me use adblockers and privacy badger. The time wasted on ads are way larger than the time spent loading a page.
Yeah. A pihole sped up the internet for me big time.
What do you mean? Adblockers for Chrome exists.
They do, but Google reduced their utility. Ads from YouTube get through my uBlock Origin, and I see ads in my search results. This was a fairly recent development, as maybe a year ago I didn’t see any ads at all on Chrome. The day I got ads punched through my blockers, is the day I quit being lazy and migrated back to Firefox.
Google has no incentive to block ads when that’s part of their revenue stream, so they nerfed third party extension’s ability to actually work at intended.
Also note differences of these capabilities on their respective mobile apps.
Sure it does…
I’m a Firefox user, but doesn’t Chrome allow adblockers too? Both uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger are supported extensions on Chrome.
They do, but Chrome is actively trying to remove support for most advanced ad-blocking capabilities. Further, Google has no financial incentive to make their browser hospitable to ad blockers as Google makes most of their money from advertising.
Google has pushed some half-baked ideas for how the web could work without having to block ads. Ad blocks aren’t best buddies with Google.
Thanks for the response and info. Another day where I’m glad to be a FF user.
Correct, but Chrome recently allowed ads through that weren’t block-able by uBlock Origin or any other blocker at the time. That’s when I switched back to Firefox, so I don’t know if anyone figured out a way around it.
never thought about it, but I tend to concur
Why is Chrome’s performance so much better than Chromium?
Because Google throttles all it’s services, including AMP, for every non-google browser.
Firefox in general is faster for me than Chrome in many pages
However a notable exception are web games and web based game emulators. They’re a lot slower on Firefox and i get horrible sound crackling whereas on Chrome its much better. It’s been like this for years with no seeming improvement.
Please open bug ticket in Mozilla Bugzilla. It will help the Firefox development further. 🎊
People stop using chrome.its not good for you nor for the internet.
I switched to Chrome a few years back because Firefox kept deleting my bookmarks.
Been using Firefox for over 15 years, including weird open source custom forks of it, and I’ve never run into that issue. I’ve got bookmarks kicking around that I imported into FF from IE on Windows XP.
Not saying it didn’t happen, but I’d hazard a guess that it was related to some bookmarks related addon you installed, or user error. Sorry you lost your bookmarks.
What if I just… Spoof a Firefox user agent?? 😅
That’ll work but why not install firefox?
I just need to give it another chance, I literally removed Firefox two weeks ago after a problem using video calls, buuut I’m always fing around with the audio setup so Firefox may not have been at fault. For real though I never knew there is a Wayland mode, I’m excited to try it
Firefox is great… and we must use it at all cost
#eh /jk, no forcing, but Firefox indeed great!
No no people need to be forced to use Firefox. How else will they see the greatness?
They will after they left chromium world, ehehe… hehehe
HEHEHE
And enjoy your ads?
I use FF to help keep the browser “market” competitive. We don’t want to end up in the same situation as early 2ks where html standardisation was essentially “internet explorer compatibility”, and if you wanted to use newer features as a web dev you had to put multiple implementations, one for IE, and one for the others, as in the browsers actually implementing the specifications correctly. Now MS didn’t exactly do nefarious things with their market power, it was rather neglect, but it damaged the industry nevertheless. For Google, in today’s market, I’d anticipate they would use it to make it very difficult to block ads etc. Internet will become less free.
I use FF because it’s good.
MS didn’t do nefarious things with their market power? They virtually killed all competition in the market.
Chrome is worse. Because Chrome isn’t about having you use the browser, its about knowing what you do with the browser. Google already changes it’s search page, for example, on mobile Firefox can’t see the same sports results and league tables, and can’t easily see the reviews of local restaurants etc.
Is this for both desktop and mobile versions? Sorry if that is a silly question.
Probably desktop. Or desktop and android. Remember that iOS locked down the browser years ago and require any third parties to run on safari’s bones.
@evan @JadenSmith
Firefox quality is far enough in quality for bad from its desktop version.Definitely not Android. Firefox is unfortunately quite a bit slower than Chrome based browsers. I still use it as I don’t really do much on my phone, but I hope they can optimize it further.
I use Firefox on android (specifically fennec f droid) and i use it since ublock origin can be installed and my fennec is hardened too
Chrome and Firefox are building iOS browsers that do not require the apple WebKit. Everyone, including apple, expect apple to drop that requirement soon to help avoid antitrust issues.
expect apple to drop that requirement soon to help avoid antitrust issues.
I’m surprised it took this long.
That’s quite good to hear, do you have any further reading that you know of?
Edit: here’s the top article from DDG - https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/07/mozilla_google_apple_webkit/
This is specifically for the Windows version. You can also find Linux and Mac results here by selecting the OS from the drop-down list at the top.
I only see Chromium and Chrome on the speedometer for Linux, not Firefox. Am I missing something?
Here’s what I see: https://i.ibb.co/g9yLrmp/image.png
I think for now it’s on desktop Windows? But on Linux I do notice faster react app load like reddit new design is faster. But I use lemmy, so it doesn’t matter now.
Why is Chromium slower than Chrome?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Google is keeping certain performance enhancements closed source so they can have a competive advantage over the competition that uses the Chromium source. They have been slowly making Android open source worse by not updating parts and moving things to closed source Google Play apps.
So when Google removed don’t be evil, they really meant it. It shows more and more each day.
“Who put this ‘Don’t’ here? We’ll just get rid of that!”
They’re just build flags or compiler versions being different, no need to be melodramatic.
They didn’t remove “don’t be evil”. It’s still there today: https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/ (final paragraph)
Wow. I’ve heard that rumour being spread all over the place for YEARS now, and you’re the first to pull up proof that it’s still there. Interesting!
It looks like the code of conduct used to include a preface about don’t be evil, that’s what was removed.
“Preface Don’t be evil.” Googlers generally apply those words to how we serve our users. But “Don’t be evil” is much more than that. Yes, it’s about providing our users unbiased access to information, focusing on their needs and giving them the best products and services that we can. But it’s also about doing the right thing more generally – following the law, acting honorably, and treating co-workers with courtesy and respect.
The Google Code of Conduct is one of the ways we put “Don’t be evil” into practice.”
“We’re open source but not open source enough to your liking” is a VERY strange criteria for “evil” when most other commercial software companies are not open source at all.
The real question
~~Wild guess: APM? ~~
Edit:
It seems that chromium here on these benchmarks is unoptimized and it depends on what flags where enabled during building time: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/chromium-dev/c/6q3AyYacjOo/m/XKQMdW4fBgAJSo, a larger number is better for this speed benchmark?
Firefox has been and will continue to be the best browser available
Crazy fact. Firefox, for me, has ALWAYS been much faster/stronger on YouTube than any chromium based browser I’ve used. Better than chrome on their own site. This makes it even better. I love this browser.
YouTube has been ok for me in Firefox, but other Google apps, in particular Docs/Sheets, always become very laggy after a few minutes. When this happens, it seems to affect the rest of the browser too, so other tabs that I have open slow down as well.
I’ve read somewhere that changing the user agent fixes your issue. It is intentional.
Google intentionally gimps what they serve to their competition to make them look worse. It’s definitely an anticompetitive practice, and they’re walking a fine line about it to not get in legal trouble.
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There are a lot of things that “should be illegal” in the capitalistic dystopia, but they just aren’t.
Interesting. I have to try that. I remember reading that MS do the same for the web version of Outlook, but I don’t use that, so I can’t confirm.
And that’s even considering the fact that Google deliberately throttles Firefox on their sites
source?
Google.com on Firefox Android is an inferior experience compared to Chrome. You have to use an addon that changes your user-agent string to get the same experience.
@lazycouchpotato @xthedeerlordx just use brave search or startpage instead?
I use DuckDuckGo.
Heard good things about Brave. Gotta remember to use it.
Is that relevant for the benchmarks?
No
Nice! Although I have been using Firefox for years and never felt there was an issue with speed. Always been reliable for me.
Same here. And wasn’t some of that speed difference artificial? Didn’t Google serve their pages slower on FF on purpose for a while? “Do no evil” and all…
Never heard of that before. It wouldn’t take much for me to believe it though. Anyone have a link?
I rarely feel like the slowness of a website was due to the browser. I mean .4 seconds or .5 seconds does it really matter? I’ve been using Firefox since it was Firebird and speed has never really been a complaint. People need to measure and quantify everything.
What appeals to me about Firefox is how customizable it is, and all the extensions.
My bigger complaint is memory usage
Same for me. Since I switched to Firebird/Firefox, no other browser has given me a reason to seriously consider switching.
On old HW it does matter. I use X220 Thinkpad, it’s still fast using chrome, and slow using firefox. But since 115, it’s noticeably fast… so… it matter, for me.
Since Firebird, eh? That means you are responsible for my beloved Mozilla suite being ditched for this upstart.
I’m still a little mad that they had to change it from Phoenix. Such a great and evocative name.
I miss Galeon a little too. Practically invented the tabbed browser.
Firebird?
Phoenix became Firebird which became Firefox.
Nice. I think it’s time for me to try it again. I want to start getting away from google as much as possible.
The only thing that kept me was YouTube performance. Once Firefox improved that I saw no reason to stay.
I have been using Firefox for basically as long as I can remember and I love it. However, there’s one website that I go to Chromium for: GeoGuessr/Google Street View. For some reason it’s unbelievably slow and sluggish in Firefox whereas it works normally in Chromium. Why could this be? To be clear, it’s only the Street View part (and moving/panning/zooming) that’s slow on GeoGuessr.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the implementation has bias towards Chromium based browsers as both street view and Chromium are from Google.
They were literally caught artificially slowing down page loads and responsiveness on non-chrome browsers a while back.
Do you mean the time when YouTube’s UI was built using a pre-standardized version of the Shadow DOM API, and had to polyfill it in Firefox? If so, that was tech debt, not artificially slowing down page loads for Firefox on purpose. It was a tradeoff that let non-Chrome users use YouTube until they finally upgraded a year or two later.
If that’s not it, I’d love to see what you’re referring to.
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Anything that Google site engineering mostly against web standard, and pushing chromium standard. So I don’t even… Surprised I guess?
What does speed mean in this regard? Download speed?
JS Render speed, so in past website like facebook, new.reddit.com, discourse based forum, etc that rely heavily in JS, now load and render faster in Firefox than ever
Oh, well that’s good. I’ve never thought Firefox took too long to load but I’m happy with shit being faster.
For anyone else wondering, I’m assuming they’re talking about JavaScript.
