• Franklin@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Just trying to avoid 2016 pt. 2

    You can always vote however you want I’m not trying to change that I’m just trying to get you to understand that your actions may not have your desired end result and why.

    We agree on what needs to happen just not the methods.

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      7 months ago

      Can you explain how voting for Biden is “avoiding 2016 pt. 2?” It seems “2016 pt. 2” keeps happening anyway because people insist that we keep doing the same thing over and over again.

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        7 months ago

        Do you sincerely not see a difference in the last 4 years as opposed to the four prior? We’ve had an increase action on health Care, student debt, decriminalization of marijuana, environmental action and a whole lot more.

        I’m not saying it’s perfect I’m just saying he’s the best option we’ve got and if you want to sway him more in the direction you want then in the meantime pressuring Congress will allow you to do that.

        Lack of votes don’t pressure anyone only votes do.

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          7 months ago

          The only difference I’ve noticed is the lack of daily headlines regarding some new ‘gaffe’ committed by the president.

          This vague list of action might as well be meaningless as it is little more than half measures and virtue signaling. Healthcare is still as expensive as it ever was, college is still as expensive as it ever was, marijuana is already legal in 1/2 the country and medically legal in 4/5th of the country, climate change is still rapidly getting worse, homelessness is increasing, housing prices are increasing, wages are still suppressed, unions are still suppressed, women, minorities, and LGBT people now have fewer rights.

          Biden is only the best option we’ve got if you limit your support to one of two individuals out of 330 million citizens.

          Lack of votes is the only way to pressure someone. How would anyone feel pressured to do anything after they’ve already received your vote? It’s not like you can take it back after the fact. This is precisely why neither of these two parties has to do anything beneficial in order to win elections. They deceive you into trapping yourself in a box where only two candidates exist while banking on the fact that you’d never vote for the other one.

          If you want change, you actually have to change your actions. It’s not going to happen by doing the same thing you’ve always done.

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            7 months ago

            I’m sorry but evidence does not support your claims, there are plenty of white papers to support the theory that votes and indeed the demographics that vote the most have the most sway in political policy especially in the US.

            I’m saying you have a choice to make between two candidates, it shouldn’t be that narrow and we should try to change that but for now under the system we’ve been given that is our options barring violent protest.

            Or you can choose to act upon any other apparatus of the political system such as Congress or municipal government. Not voting is an ineffective means of asserting your political intent.