Russia and other nations are working on “sovereign Internet” systems that threaten digital rights—and the stability of the global Internet 
  • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    2 years ago

    No it’s not. This is similar to “Russia trying to have a new moon program”. Not happening ever.

    The first part may happen, the second part - ahahaha.

    I live in Russia.

    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      “Russian trying to build its own LAN” is the way I read it lol. You can’t have “inter” with no other peers.

      • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Large intranets are not a problem (that’s how it was in the beginning in many places, rather fast and unlimited access to LAN resources, chats etc, but slow and expensive to the Internet), it’s just that nothing inside Russia is going to be self-sufficient.

        Also every dick without balls in a chair will try to get some control or share or get a bribe or just prevent this from happening so that his relative or something would get the contract.

        This wasn’t a factor with the large Internet being accessible (unbeatable competition), but will be with intranets (or a countrywide intranet). Nothing will get built. In the 90s such dicks simply didn’t understand that this is a good business, so they allowed it to grow (still all the major telecom providers that survived had some connections with FSB etc, or so people say).

        • astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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          2 years ago

          Also true if you consider the absolutely massive cost and effort it took China to get where they are with their Great Firewall. From what can be gleaned they also have a huge workforce of people monitoring communications as well in order to keep their internet safe for the state and “sanitized”.

    • Pastor Haggis@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      It would be great, but think about it for a second. Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist, it’s not like they would cease trying to spread misinformation or destabilizing opinions. So that won’t change at all. This would primarily affect the people in the country who would now be unable to see real news or learn things the government doesn’t want them to.

      I’m all for giving Russia the finger, but I do fear that it won’t actually make anything better for the rest of us and would just make the people worse off.

      • zikk_transport2@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist

        I hope I can block whole ASNs originated from orcs land, so I can block those too. Or at least majority of them.

      • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I mean, if no normal citizen can access the outside internet then we will know for sure that any connection coming out of Russia has to be a bot. So that would make blocking them much more easier.

  • Yewb@kbin.social
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    2 years ago

    Removing russia from the internet would solve many problems for everyone else just not Russia

    • stevecrox@kbin.social
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      2 years ago

      Reading the article that isn’t the goal.

      They are working on controlling access to the wider internet. The goal is to push people off of western services on to ones they control. This is so they can control the information their citizens see

      They wouldn’t stop Russian bot farms or hacking.

  • denast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Russian here. This is a super old claim from our government and is a common source of jokes, it’s even called “Cheburnet” (from Cheburashka) colloquially, nobody really treats such claims seriously. Last time Russian government tried to influence internet was when they struggled to ban telegram for several years, and ended up giving up, endorsing it, and moving their official resources to it.

  • mrmanager@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Special internet operation initiated. :)

    I think they should team up with China. Seems to have similar mentality.

  • popemichael@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Here’s hoping that this doesn’t become a thing the Russian people deserve so much more and so much better.

    It’s just sad that their dictator couldn’t care any less about the individual or the people as a whole.

  • joel_feila@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I do have mixed feelings about this. Let’s say pool it off and Russia net is now thing. That makes it harder for Russian conmen to rum various scams and hacks, ex ransomware, but it makes it a lot harder for the people there to break out of the state own propaganda.

    • warmaster@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      That statement works for every other freedom you lose, it also serves to detect malicious intent from another person. There’s always a middle ground, where nothing’s perfect, but it’s balanced. There’s always a compromise. There’s no perfect scenario. If you want a perfect society, you have to take away all freedom. If you give away all freedoms, there’s anarchy.

    • Tyfud@lemmy.oneEnglish
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      2 years ago

      The Russian scammers are using a ton of proxies and VPNs. Unfortunately, this change will not affect them unless the Russian government completely removes access to the global Internet, and even then, the corruption is so deep that many officials will be selling access to the global Internet to their friends or people with money.

      Russian scammers and social media manipulators are here to stay, likely because they’re largely state run initiatives and they’ll still have access to the global Internet.

      What this does is keep the normal Russians insulated from the rest of the world and unable to coordinate outside of their own country, where everything they do is even more tightly controlled by the government.

    • aelwero@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 years ago

      God damn bud, thats the best comment I’ve seen in a long damned time :)

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
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    2 years ago

    NSA and CIA are absolutely salivating at the idea of the Russians trying to roll their own TCP/IP stack. However good some of the Russian intel groups might be at offense, they are hot garbage at defense.

    • James@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 years ago

      That’s not what they are trying to do at all though.

      The article makes it sound more so like they want their own ‘great firewall’ like China, or to go even further and create something akin to North Korea.

      No reason to reinvent tcp/ip in any case.