Russia and other nations are working on “sovereign Internet” systems that threaten digital rights—and the stability of the global Internet 
    • Pastor Haggis@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      It would be great, but think about it for a second. Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist, it’s not like they would cease trying to spread misinformation or destabilizing opinions. So that won’t change at all. This would primarily affect the people in the country who would now be unable to see real news or learn things the government doesn’t want them to.

      I’m all for giving Russia the finger, but I do fear that it won’t actually make anything better for the rest of us and would just make the people worse off.

      • zikk_transport2@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist

        I hope I can block whole ASNs originated from orcs land, so I can block those too. Or at least majority of them.

      • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        I mean, if no normal citizen can access the outside internet then we will know for sure that any connection coming out of Russia has to be a bot. So that would make blocking them much more easier.

  • denast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Russian here. This is a super old claim from our government and is a common source of jokes, it’s even called “Cheburnet” (from Cheburashka) colloquially, nobody really treats such claims seriously. Last time Russian government tried to influence internet was when they struggled to ban telegram for several years, and ended up giving up, endorsing it, and moving their official resources to it.

  • mrmanager@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Special internet operation initiated. :)

    I think they should team up with China. Seems to have similar mentality.

  • popemichael@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    Here’s hoping that this doesn’t become a thing the Russian people deserve so much more and so much better.

    It’s just sad that their dictator couldn’t care any less about the individual or the people as a whole.

  • joel_feila@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    2 years ago

    I do have mixed feelings about this. Let’s say pool it off and Russia net is now thing. That makes it harder for Russian conmen to rum various scams and hacks, ex ransomware, but it makes it a lot harder for the people there to break out of the state own propaganda.

    • warmaster@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      That statement works for every other freedom you lose, it also serves to detect malicious intent from another person. There’s always a middle ground, where nothing’s perfect, but it’s balanced. There’s always a compromise. There’s no perfect scenario. If you want a perfect society, you have to take away all freedom. If you give away all freedoms, there’s anarchy.

    • Tyfud@lemmy.oneEnglish
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      2 years ago

      The Russian scammers are using a ton of proxies and VPNs. Unfortunately, this change will not affect them unless the Russian government completely removes access to the global Internet, and even then, the corruption is so deep that many officials will be selling access to the global Internet to their friends or people with money.

      Russian scammers and social media manipulators are here to stay, likely because they’re largely state run initiatives and they’ll still have access to the global Internet.

      What this does is keep the normal Russians insulated from the rest of the world and unable to coordinate outside of their own country, where everything they do is even more tightly controlled by the government.

    • aelwero@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      2 years ago

      God damn bud, thats the best comment I’ve seen in a long damned time :)

  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
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    2 years ago

    NSA and CIA are absolutely salivating at the idea of the Russians trying to roll their own TCP/IP stack. However good some of the Russian intel groups might be at offense, they are hot garbage at defense.

    • James@lemmy.caEnglish
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      2 years ago

      That’s not what they are trying to do at all though.

      The article makes it sound more so like they want their own ‘great firewall’ like China, or to go even further and create something akin to North Korea.

      No reason to reinvent tcp/ip in any case.

    • vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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      2 years ago

      Nah it’s not. China doesn’t need Russia in any capacity. It does need some of its natural resources, but not too badly really. It’s not any more keen on exploiting those than in Central Asian countries. Just doing usual Chinese things, no bigger interest.

    • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      2 years ago

      China only blocks most popular websites, they don’t block random personal pages

      • callmepk@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 years ago

        They do though, some of personal blogs i follow also banned in China; There is a saying in my circle of friends in Mainland China that the blog is “certified by Great Firewall of China” if a person’s blog got blocked

      • astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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        2 years ago

        They also monitor internet communications and you can get your account deleted or a police visit if you post something to critical of the state. That’s probably irresistibly attractive to Putin.

        In my time working at a hosting provider we would get these very strange requests from the Russian government demanding Russian websites customers had with us be taken down for moral violations. Like a DMCA but for free speech.