Very weird that I am so old and have literally never heard this mentioned in a TV show or book or movie or anything.

In four out of five states, if you go to prison, you are literally paying for the time you spend there.

As you can guess, this results in crippling debt as soon as you’re released.

The county gets back a fraction of what they hold over your head the rest of your life until you commit suicide(or die naturally and peacefully with the sword of damocles hanging over your head).

$20-$80 a day according to Rutgers.

Counties apparently sue people and employ wage garnishment to get back the money that majority of people obviously cannot pay back.

https://www.rutgers.edu/news/states-unfairly-burdening-incarcerated-people-pay-stay-fees

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    You consent to all these issues with your vote for Dems. I on the other hand will express democracy by voting for a candidate that opposes this: Jill Stein.

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      you mean to tell me you’re going to vote for jill stein in november? what state do you live in? it better not be a battle ground state

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                  i’m not going to argue with you. i can see from your comment history that you’re a lost cause. you are damning people to consequences they don’t deserve, which makes you no different from conservatives. you are effectively the enemy and deserve to be treated the same.

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                    you are damning people to consequences they don’t deserve

                    This is you telling poor people to vote for wealthy Dems

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        Biden or Trump winning is a major loss. Instead build a better party instead of complaining.

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            Hilarious. Where have liberals been after 2016? 2020? The time is now, and you are trying your best to maintain the control of our government by the rich.

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                You in 2028 after doing nothing for 4 years: “And risk (insert Republican here) presidency? No thanks.”

                While the country goes to shit.

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          Biden or Trump winning is a major loss.

          They aren’t equal. They’re both shit, but they aren’t equal. And I don’t know about you, but I’d rather keep my right to vote, which is under threat thanks to the likes of Trump.

          Instead build a better party instead of complaining.

          Not seeing anything you’ve built. All I see is you complaining about Biden and Trump.

          If you want better, we need electoral reform. Our current system is mathematically biased against third parties.

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            I’d rather keep my right to vote, which is under threat thanks to the likes of Trump.

            Why didn’t Trump use these magical powers he supposedly has to take away our right to vote?

            Not seeing anything you’ve built. All I see is you complaining about Biden and Trump.

            https://www.gp.org/ Where is yours? What have you done to oppose the rich controlling our government? You consent to it.

            If you want better, we need electoral reform. Our current system is mathematically biased against third parties.

            Yes, that’s why I vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.

            You vote for candidates that oppose ranked choice voting.

            See how you have no solutions here?

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              Why didn’t Trump use these magical powers he supposedly has to take away our right to vote?

              Because it took them time to rig the SCOTUS.

              https://www.gp.org/ Where is yours?

              Yeah, a party that has won exactly zero presidential elections what a party you’ve built. How proud you must be.

              What have you done to oppose the rich controlling our government? You consent to it.

              A man abducts you and gives you to choices:

              • Have sex with him “willingly”

              • He kills you, and has sex with your corpse

              Choosing the first option in no way is consensual.

              Yes, that’s why I vote for candidates that support ranked choice voting.

              Good for you.

              You vote for candidates that oppose ranked choice voting.

              Factually incorrect.

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                Because it took them time to rig the SCOTUS.

                Exactly what law do you expect them to pass? This is all Dems fault for being so garbage that Republicans even have a chance.

                Yeah, a party that has won exactly zero presidential elections what a party you’ve built. How proud you must be.

                You have to vote for them to win dumbass.

                A man abducts you and gives you to choices: Have sex with him “willingly” He kills you, and has sex with your corpse Choosing the first option in no way is consensual.

                You are truly deranged. In this comparison you could choose neither and vote green party.

                Factually incorrect.

                Biden supports RCV? Which Dem?

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                  Exactly what law do you expect them to pass? This is all Dems fault for being so garbage that Republicans even have a chance.

                  They are openly debating if the president can have political opponents killed. Quit living under a rock.

                  You have to vote for them to win dumbass

                  No shit.

                  But I am not an imbecile who thinks they can magic away the spoiler effect. That’s you.

                  You are truly deranged. In this comparison you could choose neither and vote green party.

                  Voting third party is equal to choosing the second option.

                  Biden supports RCV? Which Dem?

                  Get a grip. You’ve done no better to get RCV implemented. Your votes get you nothing, because you vote for candidates that mathematically cannot win thanks to the inherent biases of FPTP voting.

                  And RCV isn’t even that good of an option. STAR and approval are superior.

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                    They are openly debating if the president can have political opponents killed. Quit living under a rock.

                    Hilarious. The rich have you figured out and are playing you like a fiddle.

                    No shit.

                    But I am not an imbecile who thinks they can magic away the spoiler effect. That’s you.

                    The literal only way is voting, it’s so simple it’s hilarious.

                    Voting third party is equal to choosing the second option.

                    Nope.

                    Get a grip. You’ve done no better to get RCV implemented. Your votes get you nothing, because you vote for candidates that mathematically cannot win thanks to the inherent biases of FPTP voting.

                    LOL so people who had power and proved to you they will do nothing to get RCV passed. Greens can mathematically win, you just vote for them.

                    And RCV isn’t even that good of an option. STAR and approval are superior.

                    Yes the Dems will surely do this for you LOL

                    ty to make a sensible sentence.

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            How do you think you get electoral reform? Because the democrats sure as hell are never gonna give it to you if you keep voting for their garbage bottom of the barrel candidates. American politics really are a shit show, you’re trying to act like you’re the reasonable one but getting so damn belligerent.

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              How do you think you get electoral reform?

              Mass protests, general strikes, voting in progressives that actually stand a chance, etc.

              Because the democrats sure as hell are never gonna give it to you

              I know they won’t, which is why you vote in the primaries.

              You know who sure as hell are never gonna give it to you? Third party candidates. You can’t make reform if you don’t get voted into office in the first place.

              you keep voting for their garbage bottom of the barrel candidates.

              Genrrallt you don’t get bottom of the barrel candidates if you actually work to put forth good candidates in the primaries. And a bottom of the barrel democrat with always be better than an outright fascist republican.

              you’re trying to act like you’re the reasonable one but getting so damn belligerent.

              Hey, if you don’t like how I’m responding, maybe don’t start with saying things like

              • “build a better party instead of complaining.”

              Practice what you speak.

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                Name one time when you havent gotten a bottom of the barrel candidate? Look what they did to my boy Bernie. He wasn’t even ideal but at least he had a shot and the democrats you’re praising tanked him. They’re playing you, intentionally holding up an awful boogeyman constantly and saying “if you don’t vote for our piece of shit we’re gonna give you the bigger piece of shit.” The only way to win is not to play their game. Maybe if they lose enough voters they’ll get the message but they sure as hell won’t if you keep letting them win.

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                  Name one time when you havent gotten a bottom of the barrel candidate?

                  Summer Lee

                  I’ve voted for her at least 4 times now to get her into office and keep her there throughout the last few primaries and generals.

                  Look what they did to my boy Bernie.

                  I am well aware, and I’m pissee off about that too. It should have been Bernie for the last 8 years.

                  He wasn’t even ideal but at least he had a shot and the democrats you’re praising tanked him.

                  I think you don’t understand where I am coming from. In no way am I praising the democrats that tanked him.

                  They’re playing you, intentionally holding up an awful boogeyman constantly and saying “if you don’t vote for our piece of shit we’re gonna give you the bigger piece of shit.”

                  Yeah, I know they’re using it to their advantage. It shitty as fuck, and a direct result of our electoral system. They know that third parties aren’t viable due to the mathematical requirement of the spoiler effect being a part of our current system. So they use it to their advantage.

                  But there is the thing, under Trump, we may lose our right to vote. We might end up seeing a true dictatorship. He’s already floating the idea of a second Jan 6th.

                  I’d rather live in the current corporate run dystopia than an outright fascist version called Gilead.

                  The only way to win is not to play their game.

                  Yeah, I’m really going to feel like I’m winning when I’m lined up against a wall under the next Trump administration.

                  Maybe if they lose enough voters they’ll get the message but they sure as hell won’t if you keep letting them win.

                  The Biden campaign managers know they’re losing voters to this shit, they aren’t that stupid. They’re gambling that the status quo will land them the most votes. It’s fucking stupid, but they clearly don’t care about losing votes to this issue.

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                    Summer Lee

                    The one who just voted for the military industrial complex with H.R.8035?

                    I am well aware, and I’m pissee off about that too. It should have been Bernie for the last 8 years.

                    You continue to vote for a party that has a rigged primary with super delegates.

                    I’d rather live in the current corporate run dystopia than an outright fascist version called Gilead.

                    Remember you consented to this.