California State University placed Sonoma State campus President Mike Lee on leave Wednesday after he agreed to protesters’ demands to involve them in university decision-making and pursue divestment from Israel.

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    OK, so you don’t agree with the anti-genocide people and decide not to divest from Israel, fine… but putting someone on leave for insubordination because they listened to reasonable requests to divert investments? That’s bullshit.

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      Imagine the board came to an agreement with the protestors, but the president refused to abide by the agreement. You would not be surprised if he were suspended, after all the board is the president’s supervisor.

      Well, this is the same thing. The board didn’t want this agreement but the president went ahead without them. So the outcome is not surprising. Insubordination is insubordination regardless of which side you’re on.

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        I think it depends on whether investment choices is something the board normally weighs in on, but your point is good: if this were the other way around, I would probably feel the action was justified.

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          Honestly investment choices is what I would expect a board to be most involved in. Why would the president be making investment calls?

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          I think investment choices is one of the primary things boards usually focus on, at least in my nonprofit experience. Not entirely sure about the university, but given some of the demands I have read, that seems to be the case.

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    “Yesterday the President of Sonoma State University aligned the campus with BDS, a movement whose goal is the destruction of Israel, home to 7M Jews,” Wiener wrote on X Wednesday. “Several other UC & CSU campuses are doing this more subtly. Sonoma State simply said the quiet part out loud. The mask is off.”

    “The mask is off” is right. Weiner doesn’t care about the 2m non-Jewish people in Israel, or the 35,000 people in Gaza that Israel has killed. Weiner is clearly a Zionist on the side of genocide.

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      “Dude, it’s not cool that you keep killing all of your neighbors’ pets. I know you and the owners have bad blood, but pets don’t even have a say in what’s happening. Plus, it kinda goes against the HOA regula-”

      ”WHY ARE YOU LITERALLY TRYING TO DESTROY MY HOUSE???!!!”

      “What does murdering innocent pets have to do with your house?”

      “OH MY GOD, IT’S JUST LITTLE OLD ME AGAINST THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD! WHY DO THEY HATE ME??? I’LL KILL YOUR DOG IF YOU DON’T SAY YOU LIKE ME RIGHT NOW!!!”

      “Dude…”

      Remaining pets: “We miss our friends…”

      “THAT’S SO GODDAMN ANTISEMITIC THAT I CAN’T EVEN START TO EXPLAIN HOW IT’S ANTISEMITIC”

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        Don’t forget that this started with the HOA declaring that part of your land is now someone else’s home.

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          They gave you the doghouse, so you stomped on the dog and then took the house. The other neighbors wrongly assumed you wouldn’t stomp on their dogs if they tried ignoring you.

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    Remember when it was just conservatives silencing academics for speaking about civil rights and against human rights abuses?

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        I mean, Biden did fight school busing to end school segregation during the day and hang out with Strom Thurmond at night…

        And he spoke against people protesting for civil rights back then too…

        There’s always been “moderate” Democrats who oppose social change, it’s just when we start simplifying things and calls everyone just Democrat and “vote blue no matter who”. Those assholes start running the show.

        There’s a lot of very rich people who want to make sure that’s as far left as America has the chance to go.

        Plus, even Donald Trump could get the Clinton’s to show up to his wedding for well less than 100k. Lots of shitty people donate to these “moderates” just to buy their way into the cool kids club and help public appearances.

        Despite some of them, well, being Donald Trump just like 20 years ago.

        Not everyone is on our side because they have a D by their name at the moment.

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    Dear California, my state, wtf are you doing? This is how it is suppose to work.

    Did the generation that did protests become the same people they hated? Maybe.

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      For every white person getting arrested protesting civil rights from that generation, there was 10 spitting on Black kids for going to school.

      Boomers tried to rebrand themselves as all hippies, but they were a tiny fraction of that generation the rest openly hated and shit talked.

      The ones in power now with very very few exceptions were not on the right side of history.

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        Yup, including Biden. He complained about the Vietnam War protests too. How many times can this guy be on the wrong side of history?

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    I’m glad this story is getting traction, but I’m confused why you reposted the exact article I posted in the same community?