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Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.
For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.
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Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
I have personally used fedora and nixos on a gen 1 framework 13 and it works great.
Does Framework do anything regarding FOSS drivers or firmware?
Regarding your question they say this:
We deliberately selected components and modules that didn’t require new kernel driver development and have been providing distro maintainers with pre-release hardware to test to improve compatibility. We’re also working on enabling firmware updates through LVFS to complete the Linux experience.
source: https://frame.work/gb/en/linux
I just looked at the framework site. My wifes laptop died recently and was looking at a new one.
Literally everything from the last year is out of stock new stock is pre-order only.
I think they may have some 11th gen models still.
I just bought the wife a Thinkpad T480 refurb instead for 400 bucks.
I actually have no idea what Framework is.
I have their 13" laptop and love it! The ability to open it up and repair stuff has been awesome like I replaced the speakers in mine. With the macbook I had prior I would have had to buy an entire new laptop just to upgrade my speakers.
Check the frame.work website. User repairable and upgradeable. Neat part is removable swappable ports so you configure the sides of your laptop how you like it.
Check it out! It’s a great, modular, and repairable laptop with comparable prices for the specs in regards to mainstream laptops.
You can even upgrade the motherboard, which means as long as the company doesnt go under you can just infinitely reuse and upgrade it kinda like a tower PC.
and you keep the company from going under by buying their products so buy it next time if you need a new laptop and can afford it =) and make sure to upgrade whenever you need it =)
You should search up some videos on them in YouTube
As soon as ortho keyboards are a possibility it’s an insta-buy from me: https://twitter.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1648371892062130176
While we’re at it, let’s also split up the keyboard and have numpad in the middle (or a blank panel if you don’t want a numpad)
Interesting, never seen something like this. What’s the benefit using these?
It’s all personal taste, but I think that the staggered layout of “normal” keyboards feels horrible. I mean we don’t need to keep typewriter hammer arms from jamming any more :) It takes a while to get used to ortho but I find it much more comfortable
I love that I got to experience the computer revolution from (nearly) the start to its current state, but damn, I really do resent some of the bad habits I’ve picked up due to technical limitations that existed when I got started. I think ortho looks just so much better and more comfortable, but the typewriter layout is firmly engrained in my muscle memory…
They have ergonomic QWERTY keyboards for decades now actually. I’m still rocking my Microsoft ergonomic keyboard from years back.
The ergonomic keyboards I’ve seen still had offset keyboard rows, rather than the ortholinear setup shown in the tweet linked above. It’s the uniform spacing and grid layout that I’ve never seen before (not to say that means its new; just new to me!).
Better, more accurate touch typing essentially.
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Man, didn’t expect to get my ass reamed for such a simple opinion lol. Personally speaking I feel like I’m more accurate and I have a better time finding where the keys are when touch typing.
How about you put up some source that backs up your opinion?
I think a “better… for me” is sufficient. Input devices are so personal, almost every statement about them should end in “for me”.
Track points are so much better… for me.
Macbook touchpads are obviously superior… for me.
Mechanical keyboards have such a better tactile feel… for me.
Ad nausem for trackballs, Bluetooth devices, wired devices, in-ear/over-ear/open/closed headphones.
They really do produce great hardware, in my dev team we either use MacBooks or Framework Laptops depending on what everyone wants to use. Upgradability is great and everyone is really happy with their device so far.
can confirm. Work thinkpad broke a year ago and switched to a framework (had the exact same price for the same specced thinkpad, but was fully repeairable copared to thinkpads).
And just last week I received my personal 13gen intel framework.
Great hardware
No way to join this nice ship without a trackpoint… 😒
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Big-yet-thin, affordable Ryzen laptops with the option to add a real GPU to, that are just as upgradeable (component wise, if not market-availability wise) as a desktop?
Demand is high. Demand will remain high.
I can’t be the only one waiting to see more “real people” reviews of production units before plunking down money. I don’t upgrade laptops frequently and I don’t want to buy something buggy (i.e. Linux compatibility for wifi, ACPI, battery life, etc).
And while I’m waiting, I haven’t looked into a good answer to the USB-C dock story for the AMD versions. I see a lot of ambiguous statements about USB4 “being Thunderbolt” but not a lot of concrete statements on compatibility and capability.
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If you find the Linus tech tips video on Linus’s investment in the company, you might see why. Very interesting!
I thought it was insane that they take apart a fully built laptop to sell the diy version.
It’s way more work for Framework, but they charge less for the diy model.
I wonder if user comfort with modifying internals on the diy model creates more sales in the long run, because customers can visualize what they’d be doing when installing an upgrade.
I think the DIY model doesn’t include some components in the base price and that is why it is cheaper. Once you configure it to include other components it is a comparable price.
It seems the DIY option will only really save you money if you already have those components or if you buy those other components cheaply somewhere else.
I mean the easiest save on components is Ram and SSD storage. its far cheaper in the market then at asking price.
That definitely seemed the like the most jank part of their production line. You’d hope they come up with a fix for that. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant portion of their sales are DIY, so getting that right has to be pretty important.
DIY or not they still need to test the laptop fully assembled before shipping so I don’t see a way around that.
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Previous products took much longer for batches to sell out. Even the AMD framework 13 laptops didn’t sell this fast and they were the #1 thing the community had been asking for for about a year.
We (sadly) can’t tell how many units are in a batch. But we can tell that demand is far exceeding their expectations.
At this point idk if it’s exceeding their expectations, they just literally don’t have enough money to invest into more production yet.
Hopefully that problem will become more and more alleviated as they sell more and more devices.
Yeah can’t imagine that will remain a problem for too much longer if they continue to sell out like this
Yeah, how many batches have sold through doesn’t tell us anything unless we know how many are in each one.
Their website crashed shortly after pre-orders went live. Could be a coincidence, could be high demand. Could also be crappy server infrastructure.
I almost threw my hat in this ring but I must wait on people who use Linux to get ahold of it and review it. Proably an early 2024 buy date for me.
they advertise ubuntu compatibility and the hardware has been out a short while now, so odds are it’s going to be just golden.
I was not a huge fan of the Intel Framework, I used mine for a few weeks in January and had substantial issues with their recommended Ubuntu install. Aside from the battery life, I remember regular OS things were breaking pretty much daily. In the end I returned for a hardware issue (it stopped charging).
Hopefully an AMD core will help at least with battery life, but it seems like Linux users aren’t a primary target. I’m not turned off them forever as I am still conceptually into it, but I’ll wait a bit before trying again.
Same boat. Need those concrete reviews this time around.
At least for framework 13, Linux support was great. I am guessing the same trend would continue. More details here. https://frame.work/linux
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TLDR: I had the FW 11 gen and it was not good with Linux when it came to being a laptop. Sleep was fundamentally broken due to hardware issue.
I bought a framework laptop for my significant other last year and it’s amazing. It feels super solid like a Macbook but is easy to open and change out parts. Nothing has broken but adding some ram was probably the most pleasant experience I have had working on a laptop. Plus, the main PCB can run without the rest of the laptop so perhaps a great home automation server or TV computer if we upgrade.
My next machine is definitely going to be one of these. Way cheaper than Apple if you want more than 8G of RAM and a decent amount of disk space.
Not by as much as I thought it would be honestly. About 20%.
When I configured it, a 13" mac pro with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1600 from apple, the 13" framework with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $1065. That comes out to a 60% difference for the most basic configuration I would consider.
I’ll have to double check. I did the latest MacBook Air and the latest gen Intel and AMD for the Framework. Upped the CPU and battery on the Framework to keep it competitive with the Mac’s battery life and it came out to $1450.
I also kept them to 16GB RAM and 1TB storage.
Fixed typos. And now I want a 1TB battery.
Great to see!
I bought my last laptop a couple months before they started shipping to Australia last year (dang it…), but Framework will be high on the list next time.
Great to see this news about a company focused on repairability and sustainability .
If I didn’t have several laptops already I’d have picked one of these up.
Next time I need to replace my laptop I’ll be getting a Framework if possible. I hate having old electronics go to waste and my devices are usually still in very good condition, just the internals can’t keep up, so this sort of laptop was made for me. Plus I love tinkering with electronics and some of those modules look interesting!
Same here. I’m not ready to refresh yet, so I’m cheering on the current runs selling out so I’ll get a chance later. Glad to hear they’re having success with the 16 inch model.
Batches 4 and 5 are also sold out by now.
Meanwhile, batches 8 and 9 have been added to the list. Looks like they did not anticipate this kind of success.
I really like the idea but two things stop me… one is cost. They’re considerably more expensive than laptops elsewhere. The seconf is the unproven long term uogtwdeability. In 5 years time when I’m looking to upgrade will framewotk be selling parts that let me do that? A new CPU board and I’m sorted… Ot is it a whole new laptop. I suspect the latter.
I’m sorry, but I fuckin lost it at “uogtwdeability”
At ‘o’ I was thinking “oh their right hand is shifted”. Then at ‘t’ I’m wondering if they use their right hand for ‘r’ but now they are shifted the other way. Finally it finishes at ‘w’ and now they are shifted the other way again and up a row. My conclusion is that they hover their hands above keyboard without touching and just smash down in the general direction of the keys.
The obvious answer is phone keyboard but that’s not as fun.
When I’m not paying attention sometimes one hand will get shifted and I’ll write it a whole sentence with half of the letters offset.
If they are indeed using a phone keyboard, I can only assume the autocorrect was so confused it simply gave up. Either that or they have it turned off.
- Have you looked at other laptops elsewhere? They are a very comparable price. This is the going rate for a laptop of that spec.
- Unproven upgradability? They are quite literally the ONLY laptop manufacturer to have provided ANY upgradability in the last 5 years. Why are you concerned about them letting you upgrade in 5 years when no one else lets you upgrade even next year?
The base £1700 price (and that’s with no ports or hard drive! So more like 2k) is about £800 from HP.
You’re paying for upgradeability. If you can’t upgrade, you’re wasting the money.
But it does have ports and storage? It specifically defaults to 6 USB-C expansion slots which can be switched to USB-A for no price increase or for a minimal price increase any other port.
It also comes with a 512GB SSD. The only thing it doesn’t come with is the dedicated GPU which is an extra £400.
