⢠The episode title of course refers to a popular party game. In the PRO episode, âMindwalkâ, the Protogies where had to communicate with Dal using charades, because he didnât learn any Morse code.
⢠Both Nurse Chapelâs and Spockâs personal logs gives us a stardate of 1789.3.
| Episode | Stardate |
|---|---|
| âThe Broken Circleâ | 2369.2 |
| âAd Astra per Asperaâ | 2393.8 |
| âTomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrowâ | 1581.2 |
| âAmong the Lotus Eatersâ | 1630.1 |
| âAmong the Lotus Eatersâ | 1630.3 |
| âAmong the Lotus Eatersâ | 1632.2 |
⢠The USS Enterprise is travelling to the Vulcan system, first seen in âAmok Timeâ.
    ⢠Alternatively, one could argue that the first visit to the Vulcan system was when the Enterprise visited the planet Delta Vega to affect repairs after sustaining damage attempting to travel through the Galactic Barrier in âWhere No Man Has Gone Beforeâ. Delta Vega is also the planet that Nero marooned prime Spock on (and Kelvin Spock marooned Kelvin Kirk on) in 2009âs âStar Trekâ, and Spock was able to watch the destruction of Vulcan. In an interview, Robert Orci claimed they âmovedâ the planet for the film because the easter egg of the name was more important than coming up with a new name fans wouldnât be familiar with.
        ⢠Both the 2011 Kelvin universe âStar Trekâ comic series, and âThe Enterprise Warâ novel attempt to reconcile this by claiming there are two Delta Vegas.
⢠We learn of the Kerkhov moon, and the fact that there was an ancient civilization there that vanished at one point. Other ancient civilizations which have disappeared from the galaxy leaving behind only ruins and mystery are:
    ⢠The Greek Gods
    ⢠The Arretans
    ⢠The Preservers
    ⢠The Tkon Empire
    ⢠The Iconian Empire
    ⢠The DâArsay
    ⢠The HurâQ
⢠The Vulcan Science academy was first mentioned in âJourney to Babelâ.
    ⢠On Vulcan they preface everything by distinguishing that itâs Vulcan because itâs important to them that the rest of the galaxy be aware that itâs theirs.
⢠âWhat are Korbyâs three principles of archaeological medicine?â Spock mentioned Roger Korby is referred to as the Pasteur of archaeological medicine in âWhat Are Little Girls Made Of?â
    ⢠Roger Korby will be Chapelâs future fiancĂŠe.
⢠The notion that Vulcans use nasal suppressants to overcome how debilitatingly pungent humans are was introduced in âThe Andorian Incidentâ.
    ⢠âNot to be indelicate, Captain, but the scent of humans is something most Vulcans must becomeâŚused to.â Spock grew up with a human mother, and human adopted sister.
    ⢠In âBroken Bowâ Archer comments that Vulcan females specifically have a heightened sense of smell, but in âThe Andorian Incidentâ it is a male Vulcan monk who comments that the smell aboard the NX-01 âmust be intolerable.â
        ⢠Later in this episode, TâPril repeats the claim that Vulcan women are more sensitive to odours.
⢠âI am still not speaking to my father.â It was established in âJourney to Babelâ that Spock had not spoken to Sarek in 18 years, which would mean their communication ceased nine years prior to this episode.
⢠The shuttlecraft Spock and Chapel take to scan Kerkhov is the Cervantes, which was previously used on the mission to investigate the USS Peregrine after it was divested by Gorn hatchlings in âAll Those Who Wanderâ, and transported Captain Pike, Laâan, and Doctor MâBenga down to Rigel VII where they lost their memories and were subject to a Starfleet yeoman turned Tyrant in âAmong the Lotus Eatersâ, and maybe they should leave the *Cervantesâ in the shuttlebay next time.
    ⢠The Cervantes is also the shuttle Ortegas pilots herself, Chapel, and Uhura in back to the anomaly when they revisit it.
⢠âThe Vulcan Science Academy would be lucky to have someone of your experience.â âBattle of the Binary Starsâ established that as of 2249, ten years earlier, Michael Burnham was the only human to have attended the Vulcan Science Academy. However, in âBrotherâ in 2257, Paul Stamets had accepted a full time teaching position there, so they werenât entirely opposed to the idea.
⢠After the Cervantes crash, Spock had to be healed by the Kerkhovians who made him fully human. In âFacesâ a Vidiian scientist split BâElanna Torres into two separate beings, one fully human, and the other Klingon. The Klingon died to save her human counterpart during the escape, and the Doctor was later able to restore BâElanna to her hybrid self using genetic material from the deceased Klingon.
    ⢠In âSpock Amokâ Spock had a dream that he was human, fighting a fully Vulcan counterpart, but he later lied and claimed that in his dream he was the fully Vulcan half.
⢠The episode cuts off before Spock can finish saying, âWhat the fairly intriguing development.â As we all know, Spock was unfamiliar with profanity until visiting Earthâs 1980s in âStar Trek: The Voyage Homeâ despite living on a starship and closely working with one Doctor Leonard McCoy.
⢠As a human Spock chooses to eat bacon despite most Vulcans including himself being vegetarian. In âAll Our Yesterdaysâ Spock appears to be disgusted with himself for enjoying consuming animal flesh after being transported to the past causes him to regress to an earlier stage of Vulcan cultural development. As we all know, all humans eat meat, and this scene certainly didnât disgust any vegans who might be watching and then later writing a point form list of how the episode ties in to other Trek canon.
    ⢠According to TâPol in âBroken Bowâ, Vulcans also do not touch food with their hands, but we see Spock picking up the bacon with his fingers here. Of course, Spock also touched his food with his hands in âAll Our Yesterdaysâ as well as his marshmallow in âStar Trek: The Final Frontierâ so perhaps thatâs a cultural practice that fell out of usage between ENT and DIS/SNW/TOS.
        ⢠Later this episode, Sevet does not hesitate to go in on some tevmel with his hands.
⢠âI just thought that my field work would be relevant.â In âJourney to Babelâ Kirk argued to Amanda Grayson that Spockâs time aboard the Enterprise was âa better opportunity for a scientist to study the universe than he can get at the Vulcan Science Academy.â
⢠âShe did seem awfully enthusiastic about purchasing dilithium.â The Federation of this era is a moneyless society, as established in such episodes as:
    ⢠âMuddâs Womenâ - The character of Harry Mudd is transporting three women around to find them husbands out of the goodness of his heart, and lithium miners on Rigel XII offer to give the crystals to the Enterprise for free.
    ⢠âErrand of Mercyâ - Kirk intimates to Spock that Starfleet would not be troubled by their potential deaths, because their training cost nothing.
    ⢠âCatspawâ - Lieutenant DeSalle says he would make a bet on the effectiveness of their strategy, but there is no money and hence no gambling.
    ⢠âThe Trouble With Tribblesâ - Cyrano Jones gives away exotic animals, and no one pays for drinks at the bar, because what would they pay with?
    ⢠âThe Escape Artistâ - We see several android duplicates of Harry Mudd captured by concerned citizens intending to hand him over to Federation authorities, because thereâs no need to collect a bounty when everything is free. Also, Mudd doesnât complain about Federation taxes, because what would they tax?
Is Earth/the Federation explicitly moneyless at this time? Even by DS9 we still see currency being used in the form of latinum. I interpreted this line as the chief going out to strike a deal with a non-Federation, independent supplier. Presumably using whatever budget Starfleet provides.
Well, I did list all those instances from the TOS era where they explicitly didnât use money, so you can draw your own conclusions.
Iâm not familiar with those examples you listed, however I did not mean that people make money like we do now. I thought in ST that governments still had their own currencies.
I remember in one of the episodes of DS9 where Sisko visits his father, he makes a point that his father used a large portion of his monthly transporter credits to travel a large distance on Earth. And as for the DS9 station, I assumed Starfleet crew had stipends since they hang out at Quarkâs, and I doubt he offers services free of charge.
Another user also claimed itâs probably not best to take Peliaâs cash-less society remark at face value, could have been sarcasm. Sheâs probably older than Earth currency!
More likely your needs and most of your wants are covered, but not everything. So currency exists for what is not provided by the government. Or in the case of something important like transporters, an arbitrary limit to prevent abuse. Also there are plenty of profit-driven characters we see even if they are a species from the Federation.
Didnât Quark have an understanding that he didnât charge federation officers and they didnât charge him for rent, energy, etc?
Does he? I could see him taking a deal like that.
No. We find out in âBar Associationâ that the station doesnât charge Quark rent, and hasnât since the Federation took over administration duties on behalf of the Bajoran Provisional government, however in season twoâs âArmageddon Gameâ, when it is believed that Doctor Bashir and OâBrien are dead, Quark toasts them by saying, âWe may have had our differences, but Iâll say this for them, and itâs no higher tribute I can think of: they were good customers. They always paid their bar bills on time.â
Notably he specifies that Bashir and OâBrien paid their bills, not the Federation or Starfleet paid on their behalf. Now, maybe Starfleet officers serving on DS9 or other places where the civilization still use a form of currency have access to an account that Starfleet is takes care of everything, but based on the language Quark uses it does seem like Bashir and OâBrien were the ones making sure the money got put into Quarkâs hands.
Fair point, Iâd forgotten that scene.
@USSBurritoTruck @startrek And of course Pelia did explicitly describe the Federation as having a âno money, socialist utopia thingâ.
I feel like at this point, itâs too early to trust Pelia as a reliable source of information.
@USSBurritoTruck Although none of the other characters in that scene disputed her description of the Federation.
Youâre not wrong, but you ever try to argue with an older person whoâs convinced of some nonsense because they got sucked down a facebook conspiracy theory rabbit hole? Sometimes you have to choose your battles, and I imagine Laâanâs battle at that moment was trying to ascertain if Pelia actually rightfully owned all of those artifacts, and not whether or not the Federation is putting chemicals in the food slots to turn children into genderless energy beings or whatever.
Iâve always interpreted the âno money in the Federationâ thing non-literally. I think thereâs still a financial and economic system operating in the background (otherwise this would be the most radical bit of world building Star Trek has ever done - and Star Trekâs world building has never been particularly innovative), but itâs just that âmoneyâ doesnât have the same primacy in peopleâs lives as it does in the real world today.
I imagine there would be an electronic system of debits and credits (hence âcreditsâ being the currency) moving around in the aether, with money in its physical form having entirely disappeared. Less âevolvedâ societies like the Ferengi would still use a form of cash (latinum), as would backward societies like 20th century Earth (hence Kirk saying âTheyâre still using moneyâ in The Voyage Home).
But even more than the term âmoneyâ being associated with physical currency (a concept thatâs increasingly being phased out even in the real world), to Federation citizens âmoneyâ would be associated with the archaic mindset of capitalism, greed and exploitation - the accumulation of financial wealth for its own sake. As opposed to 24th century people who (with just about all physical needs like health, food and shelter met by virtue of tech like replicators and advanced medicine), can focus on bettering themselves as a goal in its own right. So you might study medicine or law, not because it pays well, but because youâre interested in that field. You might go for a promotion in your job, not because it pays better, but you seek the satisfaction of having more responsibility.
@Prouvaire @startrek Given that replicators seem to be able to produce literally anything (*except* latinum), it really seems like the Federation is an actual post-scarcity culture, where money would have little to no utility.
Exactly. âMoneyâ (or âcreditsâ) would still exist to address whatever scarcity remains. Eg replicators canât replicate starships (although in Prodigy we get pretty close IIRC). Or if you want to own that genuine Rembrandt (even if you could replicate a very good fake). Or if you want to trade with societies that still use money. But it would be confined to edge cases like that.