Is anybody here familiar with this thing?
Iām talking to a psychiatrist to get assessed for ADHD, but in order to start treatment, if necessary, Iāll first have to do this neuropsychological assessment called the WEIS test. Itās expensive as shit, more than 2k, but seems to be the only way for me to get any kind of treatment. I can either pay that amount or wait 8-10 months to get it through my health insurance.
I did some digging and apparently itās this assessment of intelligence that can only be applied by qualified professionals. It frankly sounds like Iām about to get my brainpan measured. Have any of you taken this exam? Is it as stupid as it sounds? Has it helped you receive and/or validate a diagnosis?
Honestly it fucking sucks to me, having to jump through all these hoops just to have somebody listen to me and say āyou have/donāt have ADHDā.
Itās expensive as shit, more than 2k
What the fuck?!?!
$2k is how much my adult autism diagnosis was going to cost. I just straight up canāt afford it.
Thatās horrible.
Well, 2k BRL, which would be about 300-400 USD, but thatās a double-digit percentage of what I earn in a good month lol
Thatās still very expensive!
Fucking death to paid healthcare
For real!?
(Cross-lingual pun very much intended)No, not for real, two thousand
yeah, it was in my dyslexia and dyspraxia diagnosis. they measure something like IQ so that they have a baseline of how you āshouldā be performing. its not overly long or particularly uncomfortable - it should be done in maybe 2 hours max. he talked to me about my handwriting difficulties and coordination problems, explained to me what dyspraxia even was, and seemed like if anything he was trying to tilt things in favour of me getting diagnosed, saying things like āit doesnāt matter if it you can funtion anyway, it matters if it negatively impacts youā or āno one fakes a disability, especially not by accidentā. its basically just a chat, a literacy test, and rotating some shapes etc.
for example, my spelling and my reading/writing time were like 2% below the national average, but since they were significantly below what my IQ implied they should be, i was declared dyslexic anyway and got accomadations for that. Without an IQ (and the other skills that that test measured) to compare to, i probably would have been declared neurotypical and gotten absolutely screwed over during my exams lol. WAIS makes sure that people who are outside the norm are treated properly despite the fact that their symptoms likely show quite differently.
for me it was free though - it might be worth seeing if your job/university/etc could pay for it? or if it can be put on health insurance? (iām not in amerikkka, i have no idea how for-profit healthcare works, sorry)
its not overly long
it should be done in maybe 2 hours max.
Iām not in the US either (thank goodness) but Iāll also have to get it through health insurance. Itās not ideal having to wait more than half a year for this assessment (and especially funny-not funny for someone whoās likely to have ADHD), but I just canāt afford 2k for something like this, I think.
Thanks for sharing your experience with it. The reason why I came here and asked you folks about this test is that it was legit new to me, even though I typically read a lot about this sort of stuff. Whenever I see IQ testing I automatically think itās probably sus at best and nazi shit at worst. Iām glad to know that this one seems to be more inclusive.
Yeah I did it. It was basically a bunch of IQ test style puzzles. I thought it was pretty fun. It maxes out at like 138 or something so it isnāt really about determining your IQ, itās more about trying to isolate different skills to see if there are any weird differentials. For example a neuropsych diagnosed me as being on the autistic spectrum due to various stories from my childhood and also because my visual processing speed was far far below the other categories it measured.
I took the test because I thought I had ADHD btw. Couldnāt focus in school, it was like my attention just ran away without noticing and I daydreamed for a bit before snapping back and wondering wtf happened. Then the report came back and I went to go for the exit interview expecting to get my sweet sweet adderall scrip and then the neuropsych was like āSurprise you have autismā and I was like wtf lmao
If you donāt mind me asking, did that have a substantial impact on how you felt afterwards? Iām asking because I suppose that what I hope to get from this test (when I eventually-god-knows-when do it) is some kind of change or potential thereof, you know? Something of substance, some kind of way out that I havenāt tried over and over again before.
I know you didnāt ask me about this but I think having a conceptual framework to understand that the struggles you have faced through your development and into your adulthood is generally pretty empowering because itās kinda like āOh, Iām not failing - Iām just fundamentally at odds with the world/societyā.
Itās super common to go through a period of grief for lost time, lost opportunities, and anger or frustration or disappointment in how all the people around you let you down by not figuring out all of the now patently-obvious signs of neurodivergence so yeah, if you get a diagnosis then you might want to brace for a bit of a grieving process.
In regards to potential for change thereās a lot of stuff that can be done with regards to unmasking, which I kinda object to the absolutist framing of, or being much more conscious and selective in when you mask and how much you choose to mask. Thereās also a lot you can do about seeking small accomodations, especially in a social context - for example, if you meet me irl and I think youāre worthy of being a friend or if Iām going to be working alongside you then Iām going to drop the fact that Iām autistic when itās relevant pretty early on these days because itās just a sort of heads-up to say āIām going to miss social cues, Iām kinda odd, and Iāll work a lot better with direct communicationā. Itās not necessarily using excuses but if someone is saying something cryptic then Iām just gonna say something like āI am wayyy too autistic to understand what youāre getting at hereā (which is admittedly a problematic way of framing it but idk, Iām not about to drop some crash course monologue on what a spectrum disorder actually is in medical parlance so Iām just working with what Iāve got yāknow?) before seeking clarification. Itās a bit self-deprecating but itās also a way of giving people a better understanding of how I go about communicating and what my needs are, with the hope that Iāll be able to train them in more direct communication with me over time.
With other accomodations thereās stuff around embracing a need for security and stability, and actively cultivating that as a form of self-care. Thereās managing your āsensory dietā better so that you can avoid and mitigate noxious sensory stimuli while putting in conscious effort to seek out positive sensory stimuli, including allowing yourself to stim more freely or spending time (re)discovering your stims and actively cultivating habits to bring them into your daily life. That sort of thing.
Then thereās probably a fair bit of personal work to do in regards to internalised ableism as well. Living as a neurodivergent adult that is late self-identifying, you donāt go through that experience without picking up a fair share of internalised ableism.
Thereās other stuff that comes with being appropriately medicated for ADHD that I could go into but thatās probably getting ahead of things a bit.
Ultimately thereās a lot of small changes and accomodations that you can start working towards right now if you are so inclined - the worst thing that can happen is you shed a little internalised ableism, you become more connected to your sensory experience and you engage with it in a more positive and supportive way for yourself, and you make life just a bit nicer for yourself - itās hard to imagine these things could ever be negative outcomes for anyone, neurodivergent or not, diagnosed or not.
I know you didnāt ask me about this but I think having a conceptual framework to understand that the struggles you have faced through your development and into your adulthood is generally pretty empowering because itās kinda like āOh, Iām not failing - Iām just fundamentally at odds with the world/societyā.
Yeah, and I absolutely struggle with this a lot. Thereās always a voice in my head saying āno, this is all bullshit, youāre just like everybody else except youāre weak and pathetic.ā Iām pretty sure Iām not the only person whoās most likely ND who thinks this way to some extent. In fact Iām absolutely certain. Itās a nasty thing to think, but weāre surrounded by nastiness a lot of the time and it rubs off. Itās the internalized ableism you mention, or at least a facet of it.
Edit: also, especially with ADHD, I think itās very likely that if I ever have an official diagnosis, people are still going to say that itās a fake condition made to sell medicine, and that all I need is to find something that I love to do and to get a productivity app or a planner or some shit, because āI forget things all the time too, itās normal.ā I donāt even think people say this necessarily out of disrespect, some of them legitimately want to help but donāt understand that Iāve tried all this stuff and none of it works for more than a couple days at best.
Thereās always a voice in my head saying āno, this is all bullshit, youāre just like everybody else except youāre weak and pathetic.ā
Yeah I got diagnosed with ADHD recently and I think the diagnostic helped but I still get that voice sometimesā¦
I donāt even think people say this necessarily out of disrespect, some of them legitimately want to help but donāt understand that Iāve tried all this stuff and none of it works for more than a couple days at best.
This is exactly my experience (the couple days thing). So far meds really help me to be able to stick to these kinds of things
Welcome to the club!
You might find it interesting to look into the concept that Dr William Dodson, one of the two biggest names in ADHD globally (edit: as in legitimate recognised specialists, not hucksters), has to say about ADHD & motivation.
He argues that ADHDers have a nervous system that responds completely differently to how a typical person does, and that ADHDers have an āinterest-based nervous systemā which is useful for understanding how to manage motivation and habit-formation and stuff like that in ADHDers.
Hereās a blog post on this which is pretty succinct but you can also find Dr Dodson talking about it in podcasts and interviews if you want a deeper dive.
because āI forget things all the time too, itās normal.ā I donāt even think people say this necessarily out of disrespect, some of them legitimately want to help but donāt understand that Iāve tried all this stuff and none of it works for more than a couple days at best.
Yeah, usually people are well-meaning but that well-meaning advice often falls completely flat unfortunately.
Society has a long way to go with its background radiation of ableism - people get still get treated poorly and looked down upon because of something like dyslexia. A lot of it comes down to less-visible disabilities (not going to go on a rant about so-called āinvisibleā disabilities rnā¦) because people assume that a person who looks ānormalā has a brain that works the way a typical one would and so if you really struggle with reading or spelling then youāre just lazy or youāre not applying yourself.
Depending on who I am talking with, sometimes I will go at this very directly if I think itās worth it. This requires a good relationship with the other person and doing it kinda leans on their goodwill but if someone just isnāt getting it, especially if theyāre saying something dismissive or providing unhelpful advice, I will derail the conversation and start talking about a condition I know they have - asthma, migraines, a particular phobia. That sort of thing. Iāll inquire about it and then Iāll give them a similar sort of dismissive āOh everyone gets headaches sometimesā response and Iāll tell them that I just take some paracetamol, stretch my neck, have a snack and a glass of water, and maybe take a little nap and 95% of the time it fixes the problem. Yāknow, basically turning the tables on them except not in a malicious way.
Obviously you need to be delicate about it and you really have to make sure that youāre not being vindictive at all if you choose to do something like this because itās a bit dicey.
But ultimately with this you want to create an opportunity for them to really connect with your experience through a deep, experiential empathy and sometimes you can do it this way. This isnāt something I do very often because it requires a lot of tact and itās a pretty big investment of energy to navigate it so I typically donāt do it unless itās someone Iām close to.
Once it clicks for them, that āI forget things all the timeā is wildly different to āI am so forgetful that I used to wonder if I had OCD because I will return to a door two, three, sometimes even more times to check that I have locked it because I can be so forgetful that I get distracted while Iām literally checking to see if I locked the door then Iāll walk off only to stop dead in my tracks and ask myself if I actually checked that the door was locked just now because I genuinely canāt remember what I was doing 5 seconds agoā then usually it can be the starting point for much deeper mutual understanding.
āyouāre just weak and patheticā
It me.
This is a big one that deserves to be unpacked with someone who is skilled in this stuff, especially a therapist who specialises in working with neurodivergent clients or who is neurodivergent themselves.
But a lot of work can be done by recognising how much effort you put into things and how strong you are to have managed living life on hard-mode for so long and that sort of thing.
Thereās stuff in there about internalised ableism with regards to ātaking the easy optionā and āusing excusesā too - neurodivergent people and people with disability get a lot of messages about how they need to do things the hard way all the time. This is especially toxic for ADHDers and I could go on about this forever but to try and be brief about it, ADHDers have a very short battery life with regards to stuff like attention and focus and remembering things (i.e. executive function). Yes, you absolutely can devote a good chunk of brain power towards remembering when to leave the house on time and youāll probably do well at this mostly if you really do apply yourself. But, unironically, at what cost?
If youāre blasting through all of your brain power by whiteknuckling through your day, youāre going to suffer from a serious amount of executive dysfunction and, in the longer term, you risk burnout or deepening/prolonging it when it happens.
And for what? To prove to someone who doesnāt get it that you can remember to do things without writing them down or setting alarms? Or to prove this to the unhelpful voice in your head?
Almost anyone can walk to their job, if we remove practical concerns for argumentās sake. But just because thatās something that is possible doesnāt mean that itās practical, let alone sustainable or beneficial. Thing is, though, an allistic person doesnāt use transport to get to their job and then berate themselves for being a weak, pathetic little baby who always takes the easy option - they just do what they need to do without entertaining these thoughts at all.
Iām rambling again but I guess what Iāve been working on in myself is shifting the framing from being about āthe easy optionā or āa cop-outā and towards what it is that I need and what enables me to live a life that suits me better. Iāve done a lot of prior work on breaking down the conceptual distinction we have between so-called āaccessibilityā devices and design (which is usually just code for ādisabled-person thingā) because when you really sit down and consider it, what is a remote control but an accessibility device? What is a lamp but an accessibility device? What is a car? Or a knife? and so on. Learning about the curb cut effect and identifying it in design choices has also been useful and an extension of this same sort of personal work. I think doing this has been helpful for me as a foundation for undoing my own internalised ableism.
I donāt know. My struggles remain my struggles. The diagnosis did give me more leeway to go easy on myself and avoid spiraling when my real abilities were so far from how I felt they should be. Autistic stuff isnāt really managed with medication like ADHD is so it really depends on the outcome for you too.
Yeah, all I can do is hope things look up in the future. Thanks for sharing, hope you take your struggles and
kick them in the asslearn a lot from facing them.
Havenāt done it but it appears as though this is a test that will guide identifying particular learning and developmental disorders like stuff to do with visual-spatial learning and auditory processing etc.
Sucks that itās expensive but tbh itās not the worst thing.
Honestly with late-diagnosed ADHDers and autistic folks itās my unprofessional opinion that youāre very likely to see aā¦ letās call it a lopsided skill tree. However you want to slice it, thereās very often a good degree of intelligence or aptitude, especially in particular domains, and this is typically used to compensate for developmental disorders or deficits that exist elsewhere. Of course, some people are just straight-up ADHD or what have you and they donāt have any other comorbid developmental disorders too but theyāre pretty common.
Itās hard to say whether or not itās going to be of any particular use to you personally but it may help rule certain things in or out and it doesnāt hurt to be thorough.
I also suspect that if the psych is going to personally conduct this test with you that theyāre probably doing that magicianās sleight of hand thing where theyāre directing your attention on one thing in order to get you to ignore the real stuff thatās going on elsewhere. I probably shouldnāt spoil the intention of the test but, fuck it, Iād say that unmedicated ADHDers are generally going to be expected to perform well at the start of the test and when things change up significantly (e.g. going from visual tests to verbal instructions) but that thereās going to be a fairly apparent dip in performance when the subject has either hit the wall (you know the one) or they are unable to compensate in a particular domain that is being tested where thereās a weak spot. If the psych is good theyāre probably going to throw a few curveballs at you like interrupting the task of the test to get you to read an analogue clock or asking you about something that you mentioned in conversation earlier or asking you other questions which will pull your attention away, such as asking you to explain how you performed under exam conditions in school. This will be to assess your ability to refocus on the test and your ability to not get frazzled or to collapse in a barely-functional heap because you canāt shift your attention in an even way. This will also be used to assess frustration tolerance etc.
Obviously this is just pure speculation but yeah, thatās what Iād be expecting going into this.
Itās hard to say whether or not itās going to be of any particular use to you personally but it may help rule certain things in or out and it doesnāt hurt to be thorough.
Yeah, Iām sure that it will at least be a box that will be checked. Iāve never taken any of these actual evaluations, Iāve only done self-assessment questionnaires online like the RAADS-R (got >140, which lit up some red lights), so I truly donāt know what to expect.
Iām not gonna lie: what scares me the most is my test results being āwelp, looks like thereās nothing wrong here, youāre just a bit smarter than average, just carry on and meditate a bit, maybe do some therapy sessions and youāre goldenā. I did therapy for almost a decade (until a year and a half ago) and I still feel like shit.
In fact, Iām really surprised that I have to go through all this just for an assessment. I remember going to a psychiatrist a decade and a half ago, telling him I was feeling anxious, and walking out ten minutes later with a Ritalin prescription, which in retrospect is kinda fucking wild. Things seem to have changed a lot since then.
Sorry, Iām rambling a bit.
so I truly donāt know what to expect.
Donāt stress too much. Go into it with an open mind, give it a decent shot, donāt be afraid to be open about explaining whatās going on for you.
For example, Iām terrible with visual-spatial learning tests. If you ask me which image is the mirror of a shape Iām going to struggle like fuck because thereās a hole in my brain where my visual-spatial reasoning is supposed to be and Iād be pretty upfront about that, partly because thatās how I am and partly because imo itās kinda important to put your cards on the table with these assessments so they can get a handle on whether you happen to make a lucky guess or if youāre actually engaging in processing to arrive at the correct conclusion based on logic.
Like when I did my autism assessment, I explained that Iād be able to describe how people form friendships based on what Iāve observed and that Iād be able to provide a textbook answer but when it comes to the application of this knowledge itās a very different matter for me and I donāt really get how itās done. This was me doing a very honest self-assessment and it wasnāt an attempt to skew the results, it was just me being like āI could explain the basics to an alien who is visiting us just like how I can explain the basics of how to paint but that doesnāt mean imma be able to do a good job of painting a landscapeā kinda thing. Itās the snapshot of whatās going on in your brain which, if youāre capable of providing it with some degree of objectivity, can be really useful in a diagnostic process.
Iām not gonna lie: what scares me the most is my test results being āwelp, looks like thereās nothing wrong here, youāre just a bit smarter than average, just carry on and meditate a bit, maybe do some therapy sessions and youāre goldenā. I did therapy for almost a decade (until a year and a half ago) and I still feel like shit.
Yeah, I hear you but a diagnosis isnāt the be-all, end-all. Itās rare for a person to be falsely diagnosed with autism or ADHD but on the flip side itās not wildly outside of the realms of possibility that you will get a false negative diagnosis. That fact isnāt going to replenish your bank balance though and I get that.
I think if you get the chance itās gonna be really worth drilling down into this and articulating it with the psych. Again, going back to my own autism assessment in my additional notes I described that I have very clear indications of being dyslexic, dyspraxic, and dyscalculic (?? Is that even a word?) but I have no intention of seeking out a diagnosis for these things - it was my way of being like āYeah, I have a really strong case for why I fit all of these things and it has a lot of descriptive power but also I donāt care for collecting diagnoses and that is not something thatās going to serve me - either I am those things and Iām at the point in life where I just deal with it and compensate as best I can, like I have already been doing, or otherwise I just suck at maths, Iām very clumsy, and my handwriting is garbageā and itās only useful insofar as itās indicative of comorbid developmental disorders that are super common in autism especially so it was worthwhile bringing it up.
In fact, Iām really surprised that I have to go through all this just for an assessment. I remember going to a psychiatrist a decade and a half ago, telling him I was feeling anxious, and walking out ten minutes later with a Ritalin prescription, which in retrospect is kinda fucking wild. Things seem to have changed a lot since then.
Haha yeah, depending on which country youāre in and what era this was it might have been a bit like the wild west of ADHD diagnoses.
On the other hand, I have a comrade who is well into adulthood who just screams ADHD and it took until they were describing their symptoms of RSD blow by blow in their own words where I finally cracked and was like āDidyaeverwonderifyouarentbipolarbutinsteadyouvegotADHD??ā because I couldnāt hold it back any longer. He got to a psychiatrist and I knew exactly what happened before he told me but the report back was a very quick turnaround time before the psych announced unequivocally āThereās no doubt in my mind that you have ADHDā and, who knows, you might be in that category yourself which might explain your Ritalin-in-10-mins-or-your-money-back experience?
Sorry, Iām rambling a bit.
*gestures broadly at my entire comment history, including this comment* lol
Youāre alright. I get that conflict of wanting to do well but also not wanting to mask your symptoms while not wanting to subconsciously exaggerate the symptoms because youāve somehow convinced yourself that this is what it is yet wanting to have the answer to whatās going on for you but not wanting to pin all your hopes on a diagnosis if it happens that it doesnāt truly fit, and all of that stuff. Itās gonna be a bit of a conflicted jumble and you wanna know the worst part about it?
If you have ADHD, youāre probably going to be conflicted about it well after youāre appropriately medicated, youāre responding well to the meds, you notice significant improvements and positive changes, and people around you remark on how youāre handling things so much better all of a sudden. Those old thought patterns die a slow, agonising death and thereās still some days where I think if someone made a convincing argument to me personally Iād be halfway to doubting that Iāve got ADHD. It doesnāt go away, it just gradually recedes over a long period of time lol.
People who arenāt autistic or ADHD or auDHD donāt spend much time thinking about this stuff, except if thereās something big like full-blown hypochondria going on behind the scenes. Itās like being trans - cis people really donāt entertain the thought of what it would be like and feel like and look like and what sort of clothes theyād wear and what name theyād pick for themselves andā¦ you get the idea, right? If youāre not trans and someone asked you then you might entertain the thought for a little while before being like āNahhhā. But you sure as hell donāt spend your time preoccupied with these thoughts.
Itās a similar deal for this type of neurodivergence - people donāt spend time doing and redoing the RAADS-R multiple times or researching how close to the threshold they are or anything like that. People who arenāt neurodivergent generally arenāt preoccupied with what the results of this sort of assessment will be either - imagine if you were taking a test to assess how much you are politically liberal. You arenāt going to fret or worry and you wonāt have an urgent need for clarity about the process to try and better understand what the outcome will be. Youād probably shrug your shoulders, nonchalantly waltz into the test and complete the thing half-heartedly without much investment in the whole process. Thatās the sort of attitude Iād expect the average neurotypical person to approach this assessment with - nonchalance and maybe some idle curiosity at best.
I guess on that note it might be worth dropping the idea that you might be autistic with the psych. I think it would be a good idea to just do the WAIS first and let them get a sense of how your brain works and then in the subsequent appointments maybe bring it up when itās relevant.
Psychs generally donāt take kindly to people who seem to be diagnosis-seeking but if youāre like āIdk, seems like it would be worth mentioning because I came up high on the RAADS-R when I did it and it might be a confounding variable. Iām not looking for a whole new identity to adopt or for some diagnosis to hide behind as an excuse - either Iām a socially awkward oddball who gets really fixated on subjects and who misses cues or Iām all of those things and Iām autistic but either way it is what it is and a label doesnāt change that factā then they are probably gonna be receptive to it.
I mean, ultimately youāre going into this to try and understand yourself better and to arrive at the truth about who you are/what condition(s) you have, so if you approach it from that perspective with a healthy degree of skepticism and openness and honesty then youāre gonna be totally fine.
Youāre in limbo right now and, in a sense, you have been for a long time. But youāre still the same person that you were yesterday and youāll still be the same person the day after the psych provides you with their expert opinion (a terribly undialectical thing for a Marxist to say, but you get what Iām driving at here). Youāve got this.
Goddamn, I donāt even know what to say. This is an absolute load-bearing post for me now, Iām saving it to reread multiple times, and you are a legend. Thank you so much for your kind and wise advice.
I think if you get the chance itās gonna be really worth drilling down into this and articulating it with the psych.
Agreed, definitely agreed. I once brought up ASD during a session with my former therapist, in that kind of joking but not joking kind of way, like āsometimes I think Iām on the spectrum, ha-haā. She agreed with me on that, but disagreed even a bit brusquely when I brought up how I identified with ADHD symptoms and behaviors. I felt like she was aggressively against an ADHD diagnosis, and made it seem like she expected someone with ADHD to just get up and leave in the middle of a session, or to altogether forget it, or some other cartoonishly oblivious Mr. Magoo-ass behavior.
I donāt know what her experience tells her, but I now look back and disagree with her assessment. Maybe she became skeptical due to that ADHD diagnosis wild west you mentioned in your comment, but I still remember that her reaction made me feel very deeply invalidated, like some kind of terminally online kid (which Iām absolutely not, trust me). Iāll talk about ASD with whoever my new therapist/psychiatrist might be, but Iāll take it slow - I donāt want to get stonewalled again.
you might be in that category yourself which might explain your Ritalin-in-10-mins-or-your-money-back experience?
Lol I donāt think so. This was a psychiatrist referred by my health insurance, and the closest cultural reference that I can think of would be of a doctor who worked out of a dingy office in a strip mall in the US. Real Saul Goodman vibes. The whole thing simply felt off. Literally the only thing I said was that I was anxious, and he gave me Ritalin, without asking any further questions or even telling me what it was gonna do to my brain, lmao
Itās like being trans - cis people really donāt entertain the thought of what it would be like and feel like and look like and what sort of clothes theyād wear and what name theyād pick for themselves andā¦ you get the idea, right?
I do, yeah. I had never thought of it this way, and it absolutely makes sense. I would have fun with the idea for a few moments, and thatās the whole extent of it.
Funny story, a friend shared one of these silly personality quizzes in our group chat a couple weeks ago. It was just some stupid classic Buzzfeed-style slop, and we started chatting about personality and IQ tests and whatnot. I went all āyou call that a knoife?ā and sent them the RAADS-R, lol, and they all treated it like a funny little thing, we talked a bit about it and that was it. None of them ever mentioned it again, but it had been on my mind before that moment (I had done it some time before) and it has been on my mind since then (I did it again later, with results similarly very well within ASD numbers).
I read about it, I did other tests, and I think about this stuff all the time. Like I said, my former therapist pushed me away from even thinking about ADHD three years ago, which led me towards eventually reading up on bipolar II and thinking that was what was happening to me. I just wanted answers. Surely this canāt be as good as it gets, etc.
I no longer believe that Iām bipolar. Iām still on lithium, but now Iām not even sure that itās doing anything for me aside from making me feel tired and also making it very difficult to take a shit regularly. I thought my impulsivity was hypomania. I no longer believe that either. I thought long stints of getting fuckall done were depression cycles. Once again, I donāt think thatās the case anymore. These things are slightly muted by the lithium, but still there.
I mean, ultimately youāre going into this to try and understand yourself better and to arrive at the truth about who you are/what condition(s) you have, so if you approach it from that perspective with a healthy degree of skepticism and openness and honesty then youāre gonna be totally fine.
Agreed. Back to the thing with my friends and the RAADS-R, one of them was actually trying to kind of dissuade me, even reassure me that itās nothing, itās just a test, it doesnāt mean Iām autistic. The thing is, he was talking to me as if I had just posted a picture of an MRI showing a lump in my brain or something, like āsurely itās nothing to worry aboutā. I told him that this is not going to change who I am. If Iām truly autistic, then itās just another way to understand myself. Itās not a disease, itās a door that might lead into a path of healing and reconciliation with an estranged part of who I am.
Once again, thank you enormously for your words. Iām not exaggerating when I say that your comment really made a difference to me. Much love, comrade!
If Iām truly autistic, then itās just another way to understand myself. Itās not a disease, itās a door that might lead into a path of healing and reconciliation with an estranged part of who I am.
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Goddamn, I donāt even know what to say. This is an absolute load-bearing post for me now, Iām saving it to reread multiple times, and you are a legend. Thank you so much for your kind and wise advice.
Thatās very kind of you to say.
So much of this comes from hard-learned lessons that Iāve had to fumble my way through personally at some point, so if I can help make it a bit easier for someone else then it makes it all worthwhile.
That Ritalin story is wild. I just canāt wrap my head around how a doctor would be like that at all.
With regards to therapists and talking about ASD, take it at your own pace but also donāt put too much stock in what they say or how they react - most people really arenāt up to speed on ASD at all, professionals included, so if you get some skepticism or disbelief just keep in mind that they might have a really stereotyped understanding of ASD. Also if you are auDHD it really can feel like its own separate thing a lot of the time because of how the two conditions interact and compensate and stuff.
The bipolar diagnosis stuff is also super common for late self-identifying neurodivergent folks. If you make it through to adulthood as an undiagnosed ADHDers or autistic person but you havenāt gotten a diagnosis of a mood disorder, youāre basically a unicorn imo.
Once again, thank you enormously for your words. Iām not exaggerating when I say that your comment really made a difference to me. Much love, comrade!
Much love to you too, comrade. Iām just glad to help.
ā š³ļøāā§ļøEdie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, ze/hir, des/pair, none/use name, undecided]@hexbear.netEnglish2Ā·23 days agoItās like being trans - cis people really donāt entertain the thought of what it would be like and feel like and look like and what sort of clothes theyād wear and what name theyād pick for themselves andā¦ you get the idea, right? If youāre not trans and someone asked you then you might entertain the thought for a little while before being like āNahhhā. But you sure as hell donāt spend your time preoccupied with these thoughts.
Why must your comments be so good, yet hurt so much.
Gut churning realization when I was going over your list thinking āI havenāt thought about clothesā but no, i have actually thought about clothes.
Hi, itās Edward
Hi! Glad to see youāre still hanging out with us here āŗļø
Why must your comments be so good, yet hurt so much.
I really do wish it were easier.
You know, thereās this Chinese phrase that I like, äøē “äøē« (bĆ¹ pĆ² bĆ¹ lƬ), which literally means āno destruction, no constructionā but a more aphoristic translation would be āwithout destruction there cannot be creationā. It feels very Taoist to me but Iām not sure of its origin.
In western culture we are pretty obsessed with building up and building towards and building on, very often to the exclusion of getting rid of the things that weigh us down and hold us back. Anything that we let go of is almost always framed in terms of loss and in it being somehow detrimental to us, which conceals the fact that the act of letting go can often be liberating. But I donāt think it must be seen from this perspective; in time, the old must necessarily make way for the new and so the passing of old beliefs, of the old ways of relating to ourselves and to the world, is also representative of our opportunity for change, growth, and ultimately for hope.
Iām not telling you that you shouldnāt feel what youāre feeling, far from it. But I do wonder if that pain youāre feeling might also have the seeds of hope growing within it too.
In any case I hope youāre doing okay š
I feel you, all I can afford right now are symptoms.
But yes, itās an IQ test. Are you comfortable asking for a second opinion on getting diagnosed? None of my diagnosed ADHD friends had to take that but they were tested around 4-10 years ago so maybe thatās changed.
Iām comfortable, definitely, but now Iām not sure what other options Iāll have. Iāve had terrible experiences with psychiatrists and I have a feeling that itāll feel ridiculous if I, a young man in his 30s, visit a psychiatrist to describe ADHD symptoms. No matter how legitimate my concerns are, itāll surely sound like drug-seeking behavior, trying to score some Ritalin or something. Maybe Iām just overthinking, I seem to do that a lot.
Edit: to be clear, this point about talking to a psychiatrist about medication is very specific to my circumstances, how my insurance provider deals with doctors and how doctors in turn deal with patients. Itās a mass production line where you go in, talk for 10-15 minutes and maybe get proper attention. Itās just a very strange process all in all, no human connection, just a disorder-medicine pipeline with barely any personal connection.
That seems wild to me. Kaiser did a test where I had to do a repetitive boring task and I assume they checked if I started fucking up cause I was going bored. This feels like an even weirder more arcane test.