The death of dozens of Palestinian civilians after an Israeli strike is escalating pressure on the Biden administration to pull back its military support for the country.
As much as you try to normalize genocide by creating a false equivalency between the actions of Hamas (genocide) and the actions of Israel (war) these are actually two very different things to people outside of your information silo. You want to believe that Hamas aren’t bad guys for what they did on October 7, so you have the need to subscribe to a “both sides” narrative which means that you have to believe Israel is committing genocide.
The flaw with the “both sides” mentality is that you’re admitting you’re actually fine with the horrible actions of your side. Trying to prove the other side is just as bad as your side does nothing to show that your side is good. You’re just trying to prove other people are as bad as you are so you can continue to subscribe to the narrative you’re accustomed to. Feeling that maintaining a narrative is more important than reality causes a disconnect and that disconnect from reality can lead to some very dark places.
On October 7 Hamas showed themselves for who they are. It’s upsetting the Palestinian movement has made no effort to disconnect from Hamas, but that’s how it went. If the Palestinian movement were a non-violent resistance movement, I’d 100% support it. But unfortunately it’s not that kind of movement. It’s a hate movement, with Hamas firmly embedded. Every protests I’ve seen, I’ve seen people cosplaying as Hamas. Why would people cosplay as people who commit genocide? It’s a movement with hateful violent people embedded within it. In movements led by violent people, it doesn’t matter how many non-violent people join. There’s a power that comes from violence and violent people don’t need to care about the opinions of the non-violent. The non-violent have to do as the violent want or there will be a night of the long knives.
You probably see the Hamas cosplayers at protests just as I do. You need to rationalize why it’s ok to be a part of movement that very visibly supports genocide, as long as it’s their side doing it. But the truth is Hamas committed Genocide, not matter what rationalization you try cover it up with. No matter how many videos designed to keep you angry at Israel so you don’t think about what Hamas did, no matter how hard you try to avoid talking to people that don’t believe the narrative you hang on to, none of this changes the fact that Hamas committed genocide on October 7. And you’re seemingly fine with it.
I’m not saying “both sides”, Israel is absolutely worse than Hamas. Israel was founded by terrorists and honors them by naming streets and buildings after them. Israel has been an ethnic cleansing project from the start and has used acts of terrorism to accomplish their goals all along the way. They’ve most recently ripped their masks off and are committing full-on genocide now, in a manner so flagrant that many who were ignorant to the horrors perpetuated by Israel can see it now.
Yes, that’s right, Israel is worse than a terrorist group, which is quite the accomplishment for a “legitimate” state. Israel should be dissolved like Nazi Germany was. The world doesn’t need an apartheid ethnostate, especially when it commits genocide.
Yup, pushing “both sides” narrative to in an effort normalize the genocide committed by Hamas on October 7. Everything you’re saying, I’ve seen before.
You know that Hamas committed genocide, but by refusing to accept reality you prove your dedication to “the cause.” This a pattern of behavior that’s common in cults, the MAGA movement and many many fascist movements. Nothing you’re saying is unique, nothing you’re doing is original. It’s not even unique to behave in this way in support of group that wants the genocide of Jews.
You talk of history but you haven’t learned from the patterns of behaviour. How have things historically worked out for people that disconnect from reality in their support of a genocidal movement?
Israel was founded by terrorists
This is not true. You have a slanted view of history, and it seems once again you’re doing the “both sides” thing (are you capable of any other way of thinking?) so that Hamas terrorism is fine. It’s not. If it upsets you that Israel honors people that attacked the British for limiting Jewish immigration from Europe during the time period that the Nazis were in control of Europe (maybe you haven’t thought about what was happening in Europe at that time just as you refuse to think about what happened on October 7) then why would you think it’s acceptable for Palestinians to be terrorists? Nonsense “both sides” logic again.
But whatever, you’re just another boring person “both sides” stuck both sides logic (which is actually logical) that got sucked into a fascist movement. This conversation has the exact same pattern as my conversations with MAGAs. An exhausting explanation of reality to someone that wants to loudly deny reality to prove their loyalty to their movement.
Your next impulse will be to say that I’ve wasted my time by having a conversation with you, because then you’d feel you won something wasting the time of someone that your movement considers an enemy… I guess? Never understood that impulse, seems to me like a self-own to say that someone else wasted their time by having a conversation with you. But that’s the pattern of a conversation with a fascist. Because the goal of someone in a fascist movement isn’t to learn anything, the goal is to put on a performance to prove loyalty to the movement.
When will you denounce israel for actually committing genocide?
As much as you try to normalize genocide by creating a false equivalency between the actions of Hamas (genocide) and the actions of Israel (war) these are actually two very different things to people outside of your information silo. You want to believe that Hamas aren’t bad guys for what they did on October 7, so you have the need to subscribe to a “both sides” narrative which means that you have to believe Israel is committing genocide.
The flaw with the “both sides” mentality is that you’re admitting you’re actually fine with the horrible actions of your side. Trying to prove the other side is just as bad as your side does nothing to show that your side is good. You’re just trying to prove other people are as bad as you are so you can continue to subscribe to the narrative you’re accustomed to. Feeling that maintaining a narrative is more important than reality causes a disconnect and that disconnect from reality can lead to some very dark places.
On October 7 Hamas showed themselves for who they are. It’s upsetting the Palestinian movement has made no effort to disconnect from Hamas, but that’s how it went. If the Palestinian movement were a non-violent resistance movement, I’d 100% support it. But unfortunately it’s not that kind of movement. It’s a hate movement, with Hamas firmly embedded. Every protests I’ve seen, I’ve seen people cosplaying as Hamas. Why would people cosplay as people who commit genocide? It’s a movement with hateful violent people embedded within it. In movements led by violent people, it doesn’t matter how many non-violent people join. There’s a power that comes from violence and violent people don’t need to care about the opinions of the non-violent. The non-violent have to do as the violent want or there will be a night of the long knives.
You probably see the Hamas cosplayers at protests just as I do. You need to rationalize why it’s ok to be a part of movement that very visibly supports genocide, as long as it’s their side doing it. But the truth is Hamas committed Genocide, not matter what rationalization you try cover it up with. No matter how many videos designed to keep you angry at Israel so you don’t think about what Hamas did, no matter how hard you try to avoid talking to people that don’t believe the narrative you hang on to, none of this changes the fact that Hamas committed genocide on October 7. And you’re seemingly fine with it.
I’m not saying “both sides”, Israel is absolutely worse than Hamas. Israel was founded by terrorists and honors them by naming streets and buildings after them. Israel has been an ethnic cleansing project from the start and has used acts of terrorism to accomplish their goals all along the way. They’ve most recently ripped their masks off and are committing full-on genocide now, in a manner so flagrant that many who were ignorant to the horrors perpetuated by Israel can see it now.
Yes, that’s right, Israel is worse than a terrorist group, which is quite the accomplishment for a “legitimate” state. Israel should be dissolved like Nazi Germany was. The world doesn’t need an apartheid ethnostate, especially when it commits genocide.
Yup, pushing “both sides” narrative to in an effort normalize the genocide committed by Hamas on October 7. Everything you’re saying, I’ve seen before.
You know that Hamas committed genocide, but by refusing to accept reality you prove your dedication to “the cause.” This a pattern of behavior that’s common in cults, the MAGA movement and many many fascist movements. Nothing you’re saying is unique, nothing you’re doing is original. It’s not even unique to behave in this way in support of group that wants the genocide of Jews.
You talk of history but you haven’t learned from the patterns of behaviour. How have things historically worked out for people that disconnect from reality in their support of a genocidal movement?
This is not true. You have a slanted view of history, and it seems once again you’re doing the “both sides” thing (are you capable of any other way of thinking?) so that Hamas terrorism is fine. It’s not. If it upsets you that Israel honors people that attacked the British for limiting Jewish immigration from Europe during the time period that the Nazis were in control of Europe (maybe you haven’t thought about what was happening in Europe at that time just as you refuse to think about what happened on October 7) then why would you think it’s acceptable for Palestinians to be terrorists? Nonsense “both sides” logic again.
But whatever, you’re just another boring person “both sides” stuck both sides logic (which is actually logical) that got sucked into a fascist movement. This conversation has the exact same pattern as my conversations with MAGAs. An exhausting explanation of reality to someone that wants to loudly deny reality to prove their loyalty to their movement.
Your next impulse will be to say that I’ve wasted my time by having a conversation with you, because then you’d feel you won something wasting the time of someone that your movement considers an enemy… I guess? Never understood that impulse, seems to me like a self-own to say that someone else wasted their time by having a conversation with you. But that’s the pattern of a conversation with a fascist. Because the goal of someone in a fascist movement isn’t to learn anything, the goal is to put on a performance to prove loyalty to the movement.