• CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    Victoria Nuland has more competence in her pinky toe then a dipshit like Bolton who got his ass outmaneuvered and fired by Trump of all people

    What else is Trump gonna do, drop a nuke? Yeah go ahead and irradiate Tel Aviv and half of Egypt

    Is he gonna openly deploy US ground troops? Yeah sure completely fuck the US ally system from Turkey to Egypt to the Gulf, lose Iraq and Syria permanently in the process and practically guarantee a new Egyptian revolution and West Bank Intifada

    And if you think America would lose power or standing in any way that would shake its power were it caught doing even more heinous and mask off things as a result of Trump’s incompetence

    If that was true then why hasn’t Biden sent ground troops yet? Since American power and standing wouldn’t be effected in any way no matter how heinous and mask off American troops behave in Gaza, what could possibly be stopping Biden who is a bigger zionist than Trump in every conceivable way

    It’s almost like creating unsustainable conditions for US allies in the region and beyond IS A CONCERN for US power no matter if Trump or Biden is in office

    Again this is something you Trumpmongers don’t seem to understand, we are already at the terminal stage of the crisis, we are in the genocide room, there is nothing Trump could do that Biden hasn’t already done and done with far more international and domestic support then Trump could ever dream of, that’s why you’re left fearmongering about the bona fides of John fuckin Bolton as if he’s some archon who’ll single-handedly plunge Gaza into something BEYOND genocide, it’s gross, it’s hysterical, it’s cynical and it doesn’t have a lick of geopolitical sense

    • TheGyattsMustBeCrazy [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Yeah sure completely fuck the US ally system from Turkey to Egypt to the Gulf, lose Iraq and Syria permanently in the process and practically guarantee a new Egyptian revolution and West Bank Intifada

      The problem here is that many leaders in the Middle East already see Palestine as a liability even if their population doesn’t, and if Trump convinces Saudi Arabia to look the other way, which he very well might, there will be an influx of propaganda manufacturing consent throughout the Muslim world that will undercut any nascent revolutionary movements.

      what could possibly be stopping Biden who is a bigger zionist than Trump in every conceivable way

      Biden still fancies himself a diplomat and buys into that identity and has support based in respectability politics. Look at all the condemnations of the administration from other world leaders, they are doing that at all because they presume Biden will pretend to give a fuck and not enact direct retaliatory measures against them for insolence. The liberal Biden supporters don’t have the appetite for that, and so Biden is constrained albeit minimally by the rules of decorum he is championed for buying into–forcing him to temper his destruction.

      World leaders may not even bother with the condemnations against the US were Trump in office, because they would not presume he and his base would have shame and perform giving a fuck, and even possibly fear the retaliatory measures he might enact against them out of pettiness because his support comes from striking fear and dominating others. Currently you have groypers, Muslims worldwide and most Democrats all opposing Biden’s Israel policy, and the uneasy coalition is responsible for the outsized spotlight on Gaza. But once Trump is in office all he would have to do is ramp up his attacks on gay rights and women’s rights domestically and a significant amount of the people boosting outrage for Gaza will pivot to “I don’t like Trump’s Israel policy but at least he’s bringing back___.” The majority of Democrats already disapprove of Biden on Trump, you will never get a majority of Republicans to disapprove of Trump on any foreign military policy as long as it looks like America is spearheading it.

      And sure, Biden is more of a zionist than Trump, but he isn’t more of one than Kushner or the others in his cabinet responsible for the Abraham Accords. Kusher is currently working to build resorts in Gaza, if Trump helps him do that and more of the world starts vacationing there over time, Gaza will just be a footnote.

      It’s almost like creating unsustainable conditions for US allies in the region and beyond IS A CONCERN for US power no matter if Trump or Biden is in office

      But by Trump being incompetent and not really giving a shit about the troops (see the operation in Niger, his attacks on Muslim Americans despite them being the best source of intel against terrorism), he would be less hampered by long term concerns and more willing to act rashly.

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        The problem here is that many leaders in the Middle East already see Palestine as a liability even if their population doesn’t, and if Trump convinces Saudi Arabia to look the other way, which he very well might, there will be an influx of propaganda manufacturing consent throughout the Muslim world that will undercut any nascent revolutionary movements.

        Just, No lmao, the Arab regimes have sent 75 years and tens of billions of dollars trying to demonize and vilify the Palestinian resistance and people and it HAS FAILED MISERABLY, there is no greater failure in the history of propaganda, Arab public opinion has never budged from the high 90% range in any country, in Morocco the CIA stooge par excellence, Palestinians could rely on free taxi rides wherever they went and that was at the height of normalization and that’s certainly not changing now

        Palestine is the heart of Arab political life, it is a solid neutron star that will never shift and never break, which is precisely why the regimes are so goddamn brutal and totalizing in their repression, but that will not last forever, the regimes are on borrowed time, the idea that Trump could do anything that could shift Arab public opinions is so ludicrous on it’s face I’m now 100% convinced you have no clue what you’re talking about

        Like come on, Trump is not Morgoth, he’s not gonna reshape the earth and put out all good in the world, give me a fuckin break with this weepy lib nonsense

        World leaders may not even bother with the condemnations against the US were Trump in office, because they would not presume he and his base would have shame and perform giving a fuck

        wtf-am-i-reading