For some reason the tag post didn’t work last time and the thread didn’t get stickied. I want to get this going again, and rather than agonizing over the perfect wording of a new chapter post, I want to re-post this one and see if we can’t get a spotlight on it this time.

WHERE TO GET THE BOOK: http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=F6B31A8DAFD6BD39A5986833E66293E6

PRIOR THREADS:

So again, been a minute. I’ve been dealing with a lot of shit, and kept putting this off because I really didn’t want to half-ass it. So I guess I’m using three quarters of my ass here.

In chapter 4, Dr. Price goes over the various flawed ways masked autistics keep themselves going just to function, and how incredibly debilitating the effects of all this are. Namely substance abuse, eating disorders, detachment/disassociation, adherence to rigid belief systems, and fawning/people-pleasing. I’ve experienced all of these to some degree or another myself, and have been working extremely hard to find my way out of the dark forest. I keep bumping into trees (social problems).

Anyway, Dr Price talks about how booze and weed are seen as gateways to social acceptance since it makes you more relaxed and people expect “goofy” behavior out of the inebriated. Eating disorders allow us to be focused on being thin and pretty, or else just burying our feelings under a mountain of junk food, or binging and purging – anything to seize some control. Detachment/disassociation allow us to function, technically, even when internally we just have to shut down and carry on with what we’re doing. Rigid belief systems? Very good way to easily sort out “good” and “bad” things and people. Fawning? Something every socially successful autistic person has fallen back on at some point as reflexive self-defense, but also a strategy people lean into to be liked (but not respected).

The reasons for these behaviors are pretty plain to see, as is the damage they do to us. This one resonated with me a lot; I’ll have to take some time to write out my thoughts in full later on, but I wanted to get this one posted because I’ve been putting it off long enough. Discussion questions:

  • As usual, any passages or quotes that really stick out to you? Anything confusing or enlightening?
  • What flawed coping strategies have you used to get through life? What has it cost you?
  • Are you still struggling with any of these? Are you starting to realize you’re struggling and just didn’t notice the specific way yet?

Tag post to follow, my own thoughts later on.

  • carpoftruth [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    I started reading this book recently and haven’t taken part in the book club discussion until now. I picked it up because I have been doing volunteer work with kids, some of whom are neurodiverse, and I want to be a good volunteer for them. Hexbear has spoken highly of this book so I picked it up. I recognize and can relate to some autistic traits as described in the book so far, but as far as I know I’m just a weird but neurotypical middle aged person.

    Anyway, one thing I’m struggling with in the book is that I recognize a lot of behavior described in the book in myself and other people I know, but to different degrees. The book spends a lot of time talking about masking and hiding autistic traits to fit in with neurotypical society. It isn’t always clear to me what the difference is between masking and things that I think loads of allistic people do. For example, I’m cishet male but I don’t share a lot of stereotypical masculine interests like meat, sports, fishing, cars. I’m not that fit, and I am more introverted/bookish. When I was a kid all that meant people called me gay, so I learned to feign interest or just prompt others to talk about their capital D dude shit. This is masking because I didn’t want to be made fun of for being effeminate. I’m sure other people do analogous things to fit in to groups they don’t naturally belong to. Similarly, I don’t speak to everyone the same way - I use different language when talking to my child, my partner, my parents, my colleagues, my online friends. I have a lot of education and I speak to other academics differently than strangers I meet. This is code switching. I also very regularly think about and view situations in the context of climate change and ecocide. I can’t help but see the foundation of skulls that our society is built on. That makes me sad, but I keep it to myself 99% of the time. Is that masking depression/anxiety or is it just being polite and not being a downer all the time? All of these examples are things that I’ve observed to be pretty common among loads of people, they don’t seem to be specifically autistic behaviors.

    None of the above is particularly onerous to me anymore and it doesn’t cause the same type of stress as described in testimonials from the book. Is the degree of difficulty that people have with this kind of behavior the distinction between allistic and autistic people? It doesn’t seem like the behavior itself is the distinction. I mean maybe I’m way out to lunch and the behaviour I’m describing in myself are truly uncommon and I’m actually realizing I’m neurodiverse but i think that’s just stealing autistic valour. In any case, I think the book would be stronger if it highlighted in more clear terms how some of these traits can manifest in neurotypical people and how exactly they differ from autistic people.

    Regardless of the above, I’m finding the book very useful in how I think about engaging with kids. The general rules about support/accommodation seem really widely applicable. Being a volunteer with ND kids that don’t know you well can be fraught, but this book is helping me take away good general approaches.

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      Well, neurodivergent masking goes beyond just pretending to be into sports to fit in. It’s watching every last one of your mannerisms, body movements, word choice, facial expressions, voice volume, speed of movement, way in which you move etc. to try and pass for neurotypical. It’s way beyond code switching and isn’t even a conscious choice, it’s a social survival strategy we develop as we grow just to get by. And it is fucking exhausting. It’s a constant performance that requires a good chunk of your attention and leaves you burned out.