• Stiffneckedppl@lemmy.world
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    19 days ago

    Of the two, which would you rather have?

    Not voting for your preferred candidate (even if it’s the lesser of two evils) is the same as voting for the other one. So I’m not sure how that eases your conscience.

    Every voting age citizen is helping one of them win…either through voting directly or through inaction. If we allow a dictator to rise to power in America and commit God knows what atrocities, yes you can say “I didn’t vote for him.” But at that point, it doesn’t matter. It’s too late. You won’t be able to say “I helped prevent this. And even though I disagree strongly with certain policies, at least we still have a democracy.”

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      19 days ago
      1. You’re wrong
      2. If my only two options are genocidal corporate oligarch or genocidal fascist dictator, I give zero fucks. I’m not voting for Biden.
      3. DNC said Biden is the only one who can beat Trump. They also said they don’t owe me or any democrat constituents anything. Fuck ‘em.
      4. Stop watching msnbc, cnn, corporate news. (They are lying to you)
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        19 days ago

        Doesn’t matter what your grievance with the party is. There are exactly two options in Nov. One of them WILL be voted into power. There is no 3rd option. No outcome where one of them does not win.

        Whether you believe it or not, our actions as voters will help one or the other of them succeed. If it makes you feel good about yourself to abstain, that’s your choice. But it’s delusional to think that that somehow absolves you of any responsibility for whatever outcome happens. Like it or not, you’re going to help someone in this election…there is no way out of that.

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          Yes, and this isn’t just about November or a single term.

          That’s why you keep spinning round and round in the same cycle of DNC abuse, they set themselves up so it’s either them or the End of All Things and you swallow that dichotomy whole every time.

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            19 days ago

            So I should just not vote is what you’re saying.

            I still fail to see any suggestion from you that is a better alternative.

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              19 days ago

              I’m not telling you to do anything. You have three choices, 1) Fascist 2) Fascist-Lite 3) Send a message to Fascist-Lite to hope it finally sinks into their thick Neanderthal skulls and they can’t keep ignoring their base.

              That’s it, you do whatever you feel is best.

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                19 days ago

                Except that options 1 and 3 are the same. They come as a pair. So if you think you can stomach option 1, then by all means go for option 3.

                Let a dictator seize power, tear down our democracy, and install himself and his successors for life. That’ll teach them Democrats a lesson.

                No one’s saying reform doesn’t need to happen. But it isn’t gonna happen before November. And it certainly isn’t going to EVER happen after November if the side that would refuse to give up power once they have it gets elected.

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            19 days ago

            This would read a lot less out of touch if that “abuse cycle” wasn’t the actual fucking truth

            Believe it or not, there is never a fucking safe time to let the fascists win!

            Aren’t you supposed to be the ones who are the only ones who take the threat of fascism seriously?

            Here’s your chance, put the fuck up or get on the wall with the rest of the collaborators when the revolution you’re creaming your jorts for actually does come and the actual victims of fascism take stock of everyone who could have helped prevent their trauma and actively fought and whined and bitched and moaned to not do that.