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    5 months ago

    it’s a rubble truncheon that can be turned on any group

    Oh, anyone, right? Show me where it gets turned on white people then - after all, it shouldn’t be too difficult for an “enlightened” liberal like you to prove the existence of “reverse racism”, eh?

    Spartan law branded everyone “Not Spartan” a slave

    Again, Clyde… this is such mundane knowledge that you can even find it on wikipedia - the highlights are mine:

    Dominant in ancient Greek and Roman conceptions of human diversity was the thesis that physical differences between different populations could be attributed to environmental factors. Though ancient peoples likely had no knowledge of evolutionary theory or genetic variability, their concepts of race could be described as malleable. Chief among environmental causes for physical difference in the ancient period were climate and geography. Though thinkers in ancient civilizations recognized differences in physical characteristics between different populations, the general consensus was that all non-Greeks were barbarians. This barbarian status, however, was not thought to be fixed; rather, one could shed the ‘barbarian’ status simply by adopting Greek culture.

    Let me spell it out for you, genius - these ancient cultures you are trying to hide behind had absolutely no concept of immutable “biological race” that you are so desperately trying to ascribe to them.

    ya, sorry, as “Spanish” as they come.

    Strange… you sound pretty WASP to me. But then again… all liberals desperately clinging on to their precious “see no white supremacism, hear no white supremacism, speak no white supremacism” schtick sound the same to me.

    "white” people, a concept once again only found in America

    ROFLMAO!

    Where did you learn your geography, Clyde? PragerU, maybe?

    hence why my grandfather’s childhood of having to camp and hide from the government, or how his father, my great-grandfather didn’t make it,

    Stop hiding your white supremacism behind your ancestors - they are not on here running interference for white supremacism. You are.

    I generally don’t study American history all that much,

    You sure as shit don’t seem to know squat about your own, either. You say you are Spanish, eh? And yet, you don’t even know that it was Spain that literally passed the very first laws in known history that can be recognized as racialized laws - or didn’t they teach you about “Limpieza de sangre” in high school?

    The medieval Arabs didn’t treat “Jewishness” as being an immutable thing - that’s a European invention. The medival Chinese didn’t treat “Blackness” as an immutable thing - that’s a European invention. The medieval Indians didn’t treat “Asian-ness” as an immutable thing - that’s a European thing.

    White supremacism is a European invention - and Spain played no less a part in it’s invention than Britain, France and Germany.

    It doesn’t matter how hard you try, Clyde - this is known history now. Your attempts to hide the origins of white supremacism away behind ancient peoples who had nothing to do with it’s creation or enforcement is dead in the water and there’s nothing you can do to bring it back to life.

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      Show me where it gets turned on white people then

      literally, already gave you one, but you are too busy being an American chauvinist to care.

      and honestly until you stop being said American chauvinist, go fuck off, Americans really do make the best anti-race arguments by existing, because you have adopted the same attitude of superiority that the American white supremacists have, literally 0 cares for understanding cultures outside your own, instead you feel the need to lump every ethnic group together because they happen to be in the same general area.

      and to prove your own point, you even manage to butcher the next groups you listed, Jews treat Jewishness as being an immutable thing passed down by the mother, it’s literally part of the religious foundation, the Chinese treat being Chinese as an immutable thing, the Hindi Indians very much have always considered being a Hindi Indian as in immutable thing, you, an American chauvinist are an arogent pile of shit who makes caricatures of the rest of the world to fit your little stories.

      YOU are racist, not “reverse racist” (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to be, since the opposite of racism is inclusion), but are just racist. you wonder how white supremacists think? well, it’s with the same disregard of other cultures you have here, instead of accepting outside views, forcing everything to fit and conform to your personal ideals on how the world works.

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        5 months ago

        literally, already gave you one,

        No. You didn’t.

        Jews treat Jewishness as being an immutable thing

        No, genius… Zionists do that - and by conflating Zionism with Jewishness you prove just how thoroughly stuck you are viewing the world and all the people in it through a white supremacist lens. Jewish people can convert - and the only people who believe that a person who converts from Judaism to any other religion is still “Jewish” is a white supremacist.

        the Chinese treat being Chinese as an immutable thing

        Prove it - if you can.

        the Hindi Indians very much have always considered being a Hindi Indian as in immutable thing

        Prove it - if you can.

        YOU are racist, not “reverse racist” (whatever the fuck that’s supposed to be

        Projecting won’t hide the fact that you are a white supremacist, Clyde - and getting all angry because somebody showed no respect to your attempts to hide it by appealing to ahistoricity won’t change that.

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          No, genius… Zionists do that

          no, not only Zionists do that, and sure Zionism may be the Jewish version of fascism, but Judaism is inherently a very exclusive religion, it is almost impossible to convert to Judaism, and according to the Jewish faith, impossible to convert away from (this is the shocking part, where you find out that social constructs aren’t actually real, and different groups can believe things dynamically opposed to each other, almost like some intersectional theory there)

          As for China, lit’s literally Han supremacist, go speak Cantonese in public, the literally erased the Tibetan culture from the face of this planet, leaving a couple of stragglers that fled to distant disperse regions of the world, you think “free Tibet” is referring to an American occupation of the lands or something? then again i would 100% expect the person who is ignorant to the construct and workings of racism to also be a hard-line tankie, that would pretend it’s all a western media coverup

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            it is almost impossible to convert to Judaism

            Yeah… totally impossible.

            The Amoraim who produced the Talmud set out basic requirements for conversion to Judaism (Keritot 8b), which must be witnessed and affirmed by a beth din (a rabbinical court composed of three Jewish males above the age of Bar Mitzvah). The judges on the Beth Din should be observant of Jewish law. Common Orthodox practice is for all of the judges to be Rabbis or Orthodox clergy. Today conversion requirements and the time required to complete conversion differ according to denomination and rabbinic sponsor. The basic requirements set out in the Talmud include:

            • Circumcision (Brit milah or hatafat dam brit) for men. If the male is already circumcised, a single drop of blood is drawn as a symbolic circumcision [2]
            • Immersion (tevilah) in a ritual bath (mikveh) for both men and women[2]
            • Offering a certain sacrifice (korban) in the Temple (the Beit Hamikdash) – (this is not currently required as a part of modern conversion to Judaism. )

            The consensus of halakhic authorities also requires a convert to understand and formally accept the duties of classical Jewish law. This is not stated explicitly in the Talmud, but was inferred by subsequent commentators.

            After confirming that all these requirements have been met, the beth din issues a “Certificate of Conversion” (Shtar Giur), certifying that the person is now a Jew.

            Much impossible, huh?

            impossible to convert away from

            Yeah… totally impossible - again.

            As for China, lit’s literally Han supremacist,

            So where’s your proof? Show me how “Han supremacism” is coded into law in China - show me the Han equivalent to the 13th Amendment in the US or Limpieza de sangre in Spain.

            the literally erased the Tibetan culture from the face of this planet,

            Yeah… totally erased.

            Do you even bother googling anything before you peddle your Ben Shapiro-level shittakes on the internet?