Marvel TV has had more hits than misses. Secret Wars was the only one that was really bad. She Hulk might not have been enjoyable for everyone, but it did capture the spirit of the comics. Falcon and the Winter Soldier suffered from Anthony Mackie syndrome, but otherwise was pretty good. Moon Knight was great, the specials were really good, Hawkeye was decent for the most part, and Echo was a pleasant surprise, and Ms Marvel was good enough to get the job done. What If and XMen 97 are both wins, too.
Loki and WandaVision were head and shoulders better than everything else.
On balance, I’d say the Disney+ TV shows have had a better batting average than the Post-Endgame films.
FATWS was pretty bad. The production issues were very noticable - the “villain” suddenly went from fairly reasonable to a murderous psychopath, the pacing was all over the place, and the final confrontation had a nothing-resolution. How did the politics change afterwards? How was the problem solved?
There were some good parts as well, but let’s not act like it was well-written or coherent.
Loki Season 1 was probably my favorite thing from MCU and genuinely stands on its own. Sadly the fucking asshole actor who plays Kang ruined everything for season 2. Definitely don’t blame the writers having to fix the show after that.
I didn’t like the 4th wall breaking in she-hulk but overall i enjoyed it. Wandavision was on another level though. I loved loki and unsurprisingly i really cannot care about captain america, old or new. I think it’s the cold-war/spy-story style that i find uninspired. Also liked most of moon knight.
Not that anyone cares.
She also has a history of being MUCH more meta about it. Like, if I were to guess who would be speaking to their creator it would be She-Hulk, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, and then Spider-Man, in that order and for very different reasons.
I care. I love talking about them, because I want Marvel to keep making shows and movies. Some are going to be bad. Some are going to be great. That’s what reading Marvel comics in the 80s and 90s felt like. You’d get great writers doing thought-provoking crossovers and creative plotlines, and then sometimes the whole book would just be the quest for a reason for Hulk to fight the Thing just to see who wins.
Seeing Daredevil show up in She-Hulk was like crack for me. I want more of that. It created tension and intrigue. They were playful and competent. The villains were regular, shitty people who exist in the real world. Blonsky was excellent, and I hope we get more of him, maybe in Thunderbolts (although I hope it’s not the same story as the comics).
The fourth wall thing was very appropriate for She-Hulk, but I can understand why some people didn’t like it. I also believe a lot of the hate stemmed from an undercurrent of real-life red-pill misogynists, but that’s not to say all criticism was invalid.
Moon Knight was great, even if the Kaiju Ennead battle was stupid. I really hope we see more of all of that.
I also believe a lot of the hate stemmed from an undercurrent of real-life red-pill misogynists, but that’s not to say all criticism was invalid.
The social commentary around She-Hulk was wild. The fact that certain parts of the fanbase were losing their minds over a silly post-credits twerk with Meghan the Stallion was both unsettling and entertaining to witness. If anybody had a problem with that but not the recurring America’s ass joke in Endgame, they really need to go and take a good long look at themselves.
I agree on Secret Wars being the only stinker of the shows. Even the ones I don’t care for, I don’t think they’re bad. (Although the tail end of WandaVision does enrage me.)
I was more mad that they blew the transition in Multiverse of Madness for the sake of a shitty, telegraphed plot twist that everyone saw coming anyway. “Oh, you didn’t tell me her name. Well, I guess you should know I’m irredeemably evil now. See, I’ve turned all the trees red. That’s how evil I am.”
I’ve been really forgiving on the series too, but Echo was also largely a miss. I think they tried to tell a mob story initially but it morphed into a typical Marvel story at the end and the theming really hindered the story resolution. Probably a result of how it was edited (butchered?); apparently they reduced the episode count and it shows.
But yeah, I’ve enjoyed the series that most people have passed by, like She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel.
I absolutely loved She-Hulk. My only issue was the CGI. Ms. Marvel was fun.
I watched a couple episodes of Echo and it was just kinda boring. Kinda like Jessica Jones season 2. It wasn’t terrible. But I didn’t feel the need to watch more of it either. I might watch the rest later.
I loved Ms Marvel in spite of itself. The story they were telling, with the magic bangles and the clan destine and all that, was pretty boring and barely made sense. All the characters were great though, and it was worth suffering through the plot to spend some time with them.
It’s when Anthony Mackie is in something. He plays Anthony Mackie, guy who has all the power of Anthony Mackie.
He’s not a bad actor. He’s not a great actor. He delivers the lines he’s given. A good script makes you like him. A bad script makes you wonder how he keeps getting work.
Think about Sebastian Stan in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Think of a line Stan delivered, or a scene he was in. Try to remember how his character felt in that moment. It can be any scene you think of, any line of dialogue.
Now think of Mackie. It’s the same show, the same writers, the same situations. Can you remember how his character was feeling from a facial expression? Do you remember connecting with the emotions behind the lines he was saying? Or was he just… there?
People liked what if? I thought that was pretty damn lame. What if, the show where they could do EVERYTHING and what did they come up with? First episode: what if captain america was a girl and british, but otherwise it’s the same. Craaaaaaahaaaazy
I really liked Jeffrey Wright, and I liked how it massaged the concept of the Multiverse and pulled together a surprisingly coherent story. I was expecting a fun diversion into otther versions of stories we didn’t get to see, but it ended up rounding out some underutilized characters and being central to the future of the MCU.
That actually looks like it could be quite fun. I enjoyed Wandavision more than most of the TV output.
Marvel TV has had more hits than misses. Secret Wars was the only one that was really bad. She Hulk might not have been enjoyable for everyone, but it did capture the spirit of the comics. Falcon and the Winter Soldier suffered from Anthony Mackie syndrome, but otherwise was pretty good. Moon Knight was great, the specials were really good, Hawkeye was decent for the most part, and Echo was a pleasant surprise, and Ms Marvel was good enough to get the job done. What If and XMen 97 are both wins, too.
Loki and WandaVision were head and shoulders better than everything else.
On balance, I’d say the Disney+ TV shows have had a better batting average than the Post-Endgame films.
FATWS was pretty bad. The production issues were very noticable - the “villain” suddenly went from fairly reasonable to a murderous psychopath, the pacing was all over the place, and the final confrontation had a nothing-resolution. How did the politics change afterwards? How was the problem solved?
There were some good parts as well, but let’s not act like it was well-written or coherent.
No, you’re right. I just enjoyed Bucky and Zemo.
They were definitely in the good parts!
Loki Season 1 was probably my favorite thing from MCU and genuinely stands on its own. Sadly the fucking asshole actor who plays Kang ruined everything for season 2. Definitely don’t blame the writers having to fix the show after that.
I didn’t like the 4th wall breaking in she-hulk but overall i enjoyed it. Wandavision was on another level though. I loved loki and unsurprisingly i really cannot care about captain america, old or new. I think it’s the cold-war/spy-story style that i find uninspired. Also liked most of moon knight. Not that anyone cares.
The 4th wall breaking is in character for her, though. She’s the only major Marvel character besides Deadpool who can do it (and she did it first).
She also has a history of being MUCH more meta about it. Like, if I were to guess who would be speaking to their creator it would be She-Hulk, Fantastic Four, Deadpool, and then Spider-Man, in that order and for very different reasons.
I care. I love talking about them, because I want Marvel to keep making shows and movies. Some are going to be bad. Some are going to be great. That’s what reading Marvel comics in the 80s and 90s felt like. You’d get great writers doing thought-provoking crossovers and creative plotlines, and then sometimes the whole book would just be the quest for a reason for Hulk to fight the Thing just to see who wins.
Seeing Daredevil show up in She-Hulk was like crack for me. I want more of that. It created tension and intrigue. They were playful and competent. The villains were regular, shitty people who exist in the real world. Blonsky was excellent, and I hope we get more of him, maybe in Thunderbolts (although I hope it’s not the same story as the comics).
The fourth wall thing was very appropriate for She-Hulk, but I can understand why some people didn’t like it. I also believe a lot of the hate stemmed from an undercurrent of real-life red-pill misogynists, but that’s not to say all criticism was invalid.
Moon Knight was great, even if the Kaiju Ennead battle was stupid. I really hope we see more of all of that.
The social commentary around She-Hulk was wild. The fact that certain parts of the fanbase were losing their minds over a silly post-credits twerk with Meghan the Stallion was both unsettling and entertaining to witness. If anybody had a problem with that but not the recurring America’s ass joke in Endgame, they really need to go and take a good long look at themselves.
I agree on Secret Wars being the only stinker of the shows. Even the ones I don’t care for, I don’t think they’re bad. (Although the tail end of WandaVision does enrage me.)
I was more mad that they blew the transition in Multiverse of Madness for the sake of a shitty, telegraphed plot twist that everyone saw coming anyway. “Oh, you didn’t tell me her name. Well, I guess you should know I’m irredeemably evil now. See, I’ve turned all the trees red. That’s how evil I am.”
I thought it was cool.
I had been wanting Wanda to go full-on supervillain ever since infinity war. I couldn’t believe they actually did it.
I’ve been really forgiving on the series too, but Echo was also largely a miss. I think they tried to tell a mob story initially but it morphed into a typical Marvel story at the end and the theming really hindered the story resolution. Probably a result of how it was edited (butchered?); apparently they reduced the episode count and it shows.
But yeah, I’ve enjoyed the series that most people have passed by, like She-Hulk and Ms. Marvel.
I absolutely loved She-Hulk. My only issue was the CGI. Ms. Marvel was fun.
I watched a couple episodes of Echo and it was just kinda boring. Kinda like Jessica Jones season 2. It wasn’t terrible. But I didn’t feel the need to watch more of it either. I might watch the rest later.
I loved Ms Marvel in spite of itself. The story they were telling, with the magic bangles and the clan destine and all that, was pretty boring and barely made sense. All the characters were great though, and it was worth suffering through the plot to spend some time with them.
What is Anthony Mackie syndrome
Not great, not terrible.
It’s when Anthony Mackie is in something. He plays Anthony Mackie, guy who has all the power of Anthony Mackie.
He’s not a bad actor. He’s not a great actor. He delivers the lines he’s given. A good script makes you like him. A bad script makes you wonder how he keeps getting work.
Think about Sebastian Stan in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Think of a line Stan delivered, or a scene he was in. Try to remember how his character felt in that moment. It can be any scene you think of, any line of dialogue.
Now think of Mackie. It’s the same show, the same writers, the same situations. Can you remember how his character was feeling from a facial expression? Do you remember connecting with the emotions behind the lines he was saying? Or was he just… there?
People liked what if? I thought that was pretty damn lame. What if, the show where they could do EVERYTHING and what did they come up with? First episode: what if captain america was a girl and british, but otherwise it’s the same. Craaaaaaahaaaazy
You didn’t like Captain Carter?
I really liked Jeffrey Wright, and I liked how it massaged the concept of the Multiverse and pulled together a surprisingly coherent story. I was expecting a fun diversion into otther versions of stories we didn’t get to see, but it ended up rounding out some underutilized characters and being central to the future of the MCU.