A federal appeals court ruled that three Honolulu cops are not immune from a lawsuit filed by a 10-year-old girl who was handcuffed and arrested at school for allegedly drawing an offensive picture.
Because they could become dangerous and/or decide to resist at any point. And you don’t want to have your partner’s widow asking “why didn’t you cuff them?”
A 10 yo is a bit different in that they’re far easier to control physically. for most people, they’re not going to be acting entirely rationally and it’s safe for everyone if they’re cuffed. Or it’s supposed to be. I hope Chauvin is enjoying his luxury accommodations,
Better to just execute them on the spot - you don’t want them slipping out of the cuffs, then have your partner’s widow asking “why didn’t you just shoot them?”
People are already searched upon arrest, and I don’t think most people are inclined to try to fistfight a pair of cops armed with batons, tasers and guns from the back of a cop car. It’s not necessary in most of the rest of the world - are the residents of the land of the free so inherently prone to violence that they should be locked up just in case?
yes, people here really are that violent. First off, consider that we have cities that have larger populations than many European countries. The US, in terms of population size is closer to the entire EU (350 million to 450, respectively) and it poses some… unique challenges. Secondly look at population adjusted murder rates. Yup. We feature prominently on that list, too.
It’s. Not appropriate to paint everyone with that brush. But even if it’s only 1% that are violent… that’s still a fairly large amount of violent people to be dealing with, and most of the time, cops are dealing with people suspected of anything ranging from jay walking to mass murder.
Even in places like the UK, if cops can justify it they will cuff you. And, no, you don’t have to be violent to for them to justify it. (And it’s not terribly difficult for them to do so. Sometimes that can be less of a factual obligation and more paperwork often cover-your-ass sort,
Generally, it’s best to cuff before the search, the process of cuffing generally places you in a dominant position and better able to respond to aggressive actions. Searching… not so much. (Imagine checking some one’s boot and where your head is when you find that weapon.)
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If our system didn’t turn every action with police into one that will literally ruin lives even if your innocent, have the potential to be extra judicially murdered, and have to deal with a police force who has no patience and will remarkably quickly escalate to violence themselves maybe the populace wouldn’t resist cops so much
I’m not saying it’s right. And it’s definitely not preferred. There is a distinct and dire need to reform policing.
OC asked why, and the Too Angry; Didn’t Read is that cops are scared. They cuff you up when they don’t feel safe. They might also justify it as preventing escape or something. But mostly they’re scared.
And there is some justification for that not a lot. It’s far less common than they’ll imply. But there is some.
They’re scared little shits who’ve been selectively hired to be too dumb to find other solutions or have empathy.
Because they could become dangerous and/or decide to resist at any point. And you don’t want to have your partner’s widow asking “why didn’t you cuff them?”
A 10 yo is a bit different in that they’re far easier to control physically. for most people, they’re not going to be acting entirely rationally and it’s safe for everyone if they’re cuffed. Or it’s supposed to be. I hope Chauvin is enjoying his luxury accommodations,
Better to just execute them on the spot - you don’t want them slipping out of the cuffs, then have your partner’s widow asking “why didn’t you just shoot them?”
People are already searched upon arrest, and I don’t think most people are inclined to try to fistfight a pair of cops armed with batons, tasers and guns from the back of a cop car. It’s not necessary in most of the rest of the world - are the residents of the land of the free so inherently prone to violence that they should be locked up just in case?
yes, people here really are that violent. First off, consider that we have cities that have larger populations than many European countries. The US, in terms of population size is closer to the entire EU (350 million to 450, respectively) and it poses some… unique challenges. Secondly look at population adjusted murder rates. Yup. We feature prominently on that list, too.
It’s. Not appropriate to paint everyone with that brush. But even if it’s only 1% that are violent… that’s still a fairly large amount of violent people to be dealing with, and most of the time, cops are dealing with people suspected of anything ranging from jay walking to mass murder.
Even in places like the UK, if cops can justify it they will cuff you. And, no, you don’t have to be violent to for them to justify it. (And it’s not terribly difficult for them to do so. Sometimes that can be less of a factual obligation and more paperwork often cover-your-ass sort,
Generally, it’s best to cuff before the search, the process of cuffing generally places you in a dominant position and better able to respond to aggressive actions. Searching… not so much. (Imagine checking some one’s boot and where your head is when you find that weapon.) M
Boot leather for breakfast, interesting choice.
If our system didn’t turn every action with police into one that will literally ruin lives even if your innocent, have the potential to be extra judicially murdered, and have to deal with a police force who has no patience and will remarkably quickly escalate to violence themselves maybe the populace wouldn’t resist cops so much
And even with this antagonistic system, police officer isn’t in the top 10 professions to die on the job.
Probably.
I’m not saying it’s right. And it’s definitely not preferred. There is a distinct and dire need to reform policing.
OC asked why, and the Too Angry; Didn’t Read is that cops are scared. They cuff you up when they don’t feel safe. They might also justify it as preventing escape or something. But mostly they’re scared.
And there is some justification for that not a lot. It’s far less common than they’ll imply. But there is some.
They’re scared little shits who’ve been selectively hired to be too dumb to find other solutions or have empathy.
Just how afraid of ten years old are?
I’m not? Did you not catch the explicit distinction between 10 yo’s and adults?