• bradorsomething@ttrpg.network
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    5 months ago

    Actually he can do both. The argument that Israeli forces have to go into these areas due to some immediate, imminent threat is not credible.

    There’s no reasonable way to draw out an insurgent force embedded in a civilian population, and insurgents will always use that to their advantage. The invading force will always create a new generation of insurgents as they are forced to abuse the general population to root out their enemy.

    I do understand your frustration if you support Israel in this conflict, because the IDF going in paints them very much the bad guy. But as an american whose country went in and rooted around both Iraq and Afghanistan, we were the bad guy, we created new generations of terrorists in our wars, and Israel is doing the same.

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      5 months ago

      Its not an imminent thread. Its like people forgot theres a terrorist organization there holding 120 israeli women, children, babies, etc… and not giving them back. Somehow Israel is going to get them back eventually. The cost of Palestinians lives is solely determined by who is holding those hostages.

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        5 months ago

        Hostages you say?

        https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/

        “Over the last month we have witnessed a significant spike in Israel’s use of administrative detention – detention without charge or trial that can be renewed indefinitely – which was already at a 20-year high before the latest escalation in hostilities on 7 October. Administrative detention is one of the key tools through which Israel has enforced its system of apartheid against Palestinians. Testimonies and video evidence also point to numerous incidents of torture and other ill-treatment by Israeli forces including severe beatings and deliberate humiliation of Palestinians who are detained in dire conditions,” said Heba Morayef, Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa.

        The summary killings and hostage-taking by Hamas and other armed groups on 7 October are war crimes and must be condemned as such, but Israeli authorities must not use these attacks to justify their own unlawful attacks and collective punishment of civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip and the use of torture, arbitrary detention and other violations of the rights of Palestinian prisoners. The prohibition against torture can never be suspended or derogated from, including – and especially – at times like these.”

        The important thing to keep in mind is that the conflict did not start on Octover 7th and the whole situation was escalating. Yes, Hamas committed war crimes and that is terrible, but that does not justify all of the war crimes that Israel has committed onto Hamas.

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          5 months ago

          If you’re going to go that BS route then own up to the fact that Palestine et al started the conflict within a week after the formation of Israel. It’s been random acts of terrorism with periodic legit wars for almost a century since.

          Hamas etc needs to start understanding Israel doesn’t care about justifying war crimes. They want their hostages back and for this BS to end… completely. If that means they pile up martyrs until the count is so high there are no more future martyrs to find then they are okay with that. Anyone that truly wants to avoid that outcome needs to call for an end to this Jihad nonsense, for the release of the hostages, and for UN intervention to force a 2 state solution that neither party is happy with but can tolerate because otherwise it will be a 1 state solution that Israel is happy with and everyone else is ashamed of.

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            5 months ago

            Palestine et al started the conflict within a week after the formation of Israel

            Palestine started the conflict when Israel was founded by taking land in Palestine by force.

            That isn’t the great point you might think that it is.