I’ll say yes, that you thinking abortion should be illegal is holding a fascist viewpoint. Does that make you a full-blown fascist? No. Is it a stepping stone? Maybe.
You mean like a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition?
So yeah, I fully believe that the belief that abortion should be illegal falls into those categories and is inherently pretty fucking fascist.
Also, I never called them a fascist, but I will call you an idiot.
One can be anti-choice and not stand for a centralized authoritarian government.
A hardcore libertarian that believes protecting human life is the first and only role of a government can be anti-choice. They’d be wrong on a number of levels, but that’s still a logical progression that works. Dude you call a fascist is basically that take in human form.
Either you don’t know what authoritarian means and think it means “any time a law passes I don’t like” or you are deliberately being obtuse.
Any idiot can copy a definition, but you’re not supposed to just twist it and make it mean whatever you want. You may as well not even copy the definition at that point.
You can’t really do that without being a hypocrite because opposing abortion is inherently authoritarian.
Honestly, if this was 6, maybe 7 years ago, I’d agree with you, but the political lines have been cut so deeply amongst the American people that it really is disingenuous to say that real nuance like that can exist anymore. Even the rare cases where it does – and people like that are rare, and always oppose abortion for religious reasons – indicates people who are or will be taken in by that cult.
Most importantly, no one is ever going to change their minds on the issue, rendering debate pointless and impossible. Abortion will probably end up being the key issue that splits the country apart completely.
Banning abortion is not inherently authoritarian. If the argument comes from the idea of it being murder, it is absolutely not authoritarian to prevent murder.
You and I might disagree with that, but “authoritarian” really does mean something. It’s not any time someone tries to control you.
As a person with extreme problems with authority and who is extremely pro abortion, it is very draining to keep explaining this.
Yes it is, because it requires violating the rights of others to achieve. It inherently denies rights, freedoms and choices, and unironically is the only actual murder happening. Abortion bans kill both children and adults. Its self-proclaimed ethical basis is irrelevant; plenty of acts are inherently authoritarian despite being based on some moral principle or another. Revolutions are inherently authoritarian acts, for example. So is opposing abortion.
You mean like favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom?
I can do this all day, my guy. Making abortion illegal is authoritarian and fascist. It’s why Germany finally scrubbed one of the last remaining laws put into place by THE LITERAL NAZI PARTY about abortion access just last year. You’re wrong and your opinions are shit.
A law that dictates across the board what an entire chromosomal group can do with their own bodies, effectively disregarding autonomy isn’t authoritarian to you?
You’re either fucking dumb or malicious. I’m not sure which is worse.
All laws dictate in broad swaths. That’s what fucking laws are.
“Authoritarian” has an actual meaning.
Authoritarianism is characterized by highly concentrated and centralized government power maintained by political repression and the exclusion of potential or supposed challengers by armed force.
Again, by your stance, laws against indentured servitude are also “fascist”
If I think abortion should be illegal that makes me a fascist? Or are you saying something else?
I’ll say yes, that you thinking abortion should be illegal is holding a fascist viewpoint. Does that make you a full-blown fascist? No. Is it a stepping stone? Maybe.
Being pro or anti choice does not make someone a fascist.
I think anti-choice people are objectively incorrect but I also understand the meaning of the word fascism.
Not everyone you dislike is a fascist.
You mean like a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition?
So yeah, I fully believe that the belief that abortion should be illegal falls into those categories and is inherently pretty fucking fascist.
Also, I never called them a fascist, but I will call you an idiot.
One can be anti-choice and not stand for a centralized authoritarian government.
A hardcore libertarian that believes protecting human life is the first and only role of a government can be anti-choice. They’d be wrong on a number of levels, but that’s still a logical progression that works. Dude you call a fascist is basically that take in human form.
Either you don’t know what authoritarian means and think it means “any time a law passes I don’t like” or you are deliberately being obtuse.
Any idiot can copy a definition, but you’re not supposed to just twist it and make it mean whatever you want. You may as well not even copy the definition at that point.
You can’t really do that without being a hypocrite because opposing abortion is inherently authoritarian.
Honestly, if this was 6, maybe 7 years ago, I’d agree with you, but the political lines have been cut so deeply amongst the American people that it really is disingenuous to say that real nuance like that can exist anymore. Even the rare cases where it does – and people like that are rare, and always oppose abortion for religious reasons – indicates people who are or will be taken in by that cult.
Most importantly, no one is ever going to change their minds on the issue, rendering debate pointless and impossible. Abortion will probably end up being the key issue that splits the country apart completely.
Banning abortion is not inherently authoritarian. If the argument comes from the idea of it being murder, it is absolutely not authoritarian to prevent murder.
You and I might disagree with that, but “authoritarian” really does mean something. It’s not any time someone tries to control you.
As a person with extreme problems with authority and who is extremely pro abortion, it is very draining to keep explaining this.
Yes it is, because it requires violating the rights of others to achieve. It inherently denies rights, freedoms and choices, and unironically is the only actual murder happening. Abortion bans kill both children and adults. Its self-proclaimed ethical basis is irrelevant; plenty of acts are inherently authoritarian despite being based on some moral principle or another. Revolutions are inherently authoritarian acts, for example. So is opposing abortion.
“Revolutions are inherently authoritarian” is not a take I thought I’d ever read lol
You mean like favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom?
I can do this all day, my guy. Making abortion illegal is authoritarian and fascist. It’s why Germany finally scrubbed one of the last remaining laws put into place by THE LITERAL NAZI PARTY about abortion access just last year. You’re wrong and your opinions are shit.
I’m sure you can not understand words all day. You seem to get a lot of practice.
This doesn’t mean whatever you want it to mean. By your notion, any laws are inherently fascist.
A law that dictates across the board what an entire chromosomal group can do with their own bodies, effectively disregarding autonomy isn’t authoritarian to you?
You’re either fucking dumb or malicious. I’m not sure which is worse.
All laws dictate in broad swaths. That’s what fucking laws are.
“Authoritarian” has an actual meaning.
Again, by your stance, laws against indentured servitude are also “fascist”
I said we should call out nazism and fascism when we see it. I never said you were a fascist.
Okay, and I agree. And I think many are on the right are fascist.