Misinformation flooding some of Alberta’s biggest online communities has become a major problem during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to three volunteer moderators of Edmonton communities on Reddit, a social media and news aggregator website.
You can’t just say “Just get the vaccine” and stop there. That’s the opposite of science. Anything that has any potential to help people should be studied. Especially in cases where the medicine is highly available and low cost for disadvantaged people around the world.
Also, lots of medications (including ivermectin) are addressed in the official guidelines.
I have zero interest in getting in an argument for what people should or shouldn’t take. But to constantly refer to ivermectin as a “horse dewormer” is disinformation of a different kind. It’s fear mongering. And it’s harmful. It’s a great drug for certain human conditions and to fear monger it could really have a negative effect on people who might actually need it for treatment.
When people were doing this with Hydroxychloroquine it made it very difficult to get. My mother legitimately needed it for her health treatment and because people kept using it as a political issue it made it very difficult.
So I think instead of vilifying people or medications that can be used to help people, just stick to the truth. There’s no consensus. There’s no harm in studying it. Talk to your Dr.
You can’t just say “Just get the vaccine” and stop there. That’s the opposite of science.
I can, actually… we’re supposed to be talking about misinformation. We’re not supposed to be talking about Ivermectin because there is no medical (sane) professional suggesting that it is to be used for the treatment of COVID in any way, shape or form at this time.
Nobody referred to Ivermectin in this discussion as a horse dewormer… but I understand your point. It does do a disservice to suggest that Ivermectin is only horse dewormer, but I don’t think that’s where all the yelling and screaming has come from in general. It is definitely the lowest common denominator to yell back at antivaxxers who believe they should buy and consume horse dewormer because they “d1D Th3ir ReSeaRCh!1!” That is an actual thing that’s occurring, our local animal feed supply stores had to lock it up. Craziness.
Actual human Ivermectin is by prescription only here, I believe. Hopefully that and the fact that doctors aren’t prescribing it for COVID will keep the supply available for those who require it.
I am absolutely all for sticking to the truth. Laymen spreading misinformation is absolutely what I’m against. There is certainly no harm in studying it, but the average Joe has no business trying to interpret those studies and spreading any part of it online. Like you say, talk to your doctor. 100%.
Nothing wrong with doing your own research, especially if know how to properly interpret research methods and results, as @redbook@lemmy.ml clearly does. But not everyone can do that.
I think your arger is justified. But these aren’t the anti-vaxers you’re looking for. They are advocating more and better research. They are not the guys treating people with unproven drugs.
Bahaha… No, @redbook is as qualified to do so as the next average Joe.
If you meant ‘anger’, it’s not meant to be so… Misinformation spreading, which is still attempting to happen in spades in this thread, is very frustrating. There is absolutely tons to be learned in relation to this virus and medicine that can deal with it, it’s an ongoing science experiment. But laymen seeking their own treatments on what medicines they’d like to take or not and pushing the nonsense end of it online as if their opinion matters in the world of medicine, is mostly unhelpful, and leads people down the roads of consuming horse dewormer, bleach, or hydroxychloroquine.
i could explain about what scientific method is, what makes a piece of research valid, how to judge the meaning and validity of a result. so you can filter out all the contradictory science and get to the truth. but doesn’t sound like you’d be interested.
I’m taking about understanding a subject matter, not getting personal medical advice.
but you seem to be conscientiously anti science, or at least against certain types of science/research. this is really unusual, if it’s true. what is the thinking there? what kind of background leads you to this ideological place?
i could explain about what scientific method is, what makes a piece of research valid, how to judge the meaning and validity of a result. so you can filter out all the contradictory science and get to the truth. but doesn’t sound like you’d be interested.
What are your qualifications?
Are you qualified to determine a fraudulent study?
Have you read any meta-analysis that suggests that promoting Ivermectin (+ anything) for COVID treatment has any actual benefit?
The notion that I’m against science is ridiculous - I’m against unqualified individuals spreading misinformation, that’s it.
Are you qualified to determine a fraudulent study?
that’s not a real qualification you can get. like a certificate of fraudulent study identifying?
i do really know what you mean. i understand what you’re trying to say. but it’s so off topic and such a big topic. let’s leave that argument for another day.
The notion that I’m against science is ridiculous
okay nevermind then. you gave off that impression. I’d love to talk seriously with one of these people, but either they are hard to find or they don’t admit to it.
Vitamin C is part of the official NIH Covid-19 Guidelines.
You can’t just say “Just get the vaccine” and stop there. That’s the opposite of science. Anything that has any potential to help people should be studied. Especially in cases where the medicine is highly available and low cost for disadvantaged people around the world.
Also, lots of medications (including ivermectin) are addressed in the official guidelines.
I have zero interest in getting in an argument for what people should or shouldn’t take. But to constantly refer to ivermectin as a “horse dewormer” is disinformation of a different kind. It’s fear mongering. And it’s harmful. It’s a great drug for certain human conditions and to fear monger it could really have a negative effect on people who might actually need it for treatment.
When people were doing this with Hydroxychloroquine it made it very difficult to get. My mother legitimately needed it for her health treatment and because people kept using it as a political issue it made it very difficult.
So I think instead of vilifying people or medications that can be used to help people, just stick to the truth. There’s no consensus. There’s no harm in studying it. Talk to your Dr.
I can, actually… we’re supposed to be talking about misinformation. We’re not supposed to be talking about Ivermectin because there is no medical (sane) professional suggesting that it is to be used for the treatment of COVID in any way, shape or form at this time.
Nobody referred to Ivermectin in this discussion as a horse dewormer… but I understand your point. It does do a disservice to suggest that Ivermectin is only horse dewormer, but I don’t think that’s where all the yelling and screaming has come from in general. It is definitely the lowest common denominator to yell back at antivaxxers who believe they should buy and consume horse dewormer because they “d1D Th3ir ReSeaRCh!1!” That is an actual thing that’s occurring, our local animal feed supply stores had to lock it up. Craziness.
Actual human Ivermectin is by prescription only here, I believe. Hopefully that and the fact that doctors aren’t prescribing it for COVID will keep the supply available for those who require it.
I am absolutely all for sticking to the truth. Laymen spreading misinformation is absolutely what I’m against. There is certainly no harm in studying it, but the average Joe has no business trying to interpret those studies and spreading any part of it online. Like you say, talk to your doctor. 100%.
Relevant xkcd
Nothing wrong with doing your own research, especially if know how to properly interpret research methods and results, as @redbook@lemmy.ml clearly does. But not everyone can do that.
I think your arger is justified. But these aren’t the anti-vaxers you’re looking for. They are advocating more and better research. They are not the guys treating people with unproven drugs.
Bahaha… No, @redbook is as qualified to do so as the next average Joe.
If you meant ‘anger’, it’s not meant to be so… Misinformation spreading, which is still attempting to happen in spades in this thread, is very frustrating. There is absolutely tons to be learned in relation to this virus and medicine that can deal with it, it’s an ongoing science experiment. But laymen seeking their own treatments on what medicines they’d like to take or not and pushing the nonsense end of it online as if their opinion matters in the world of medicine, is mostly unhelpful, and leads people down the roads of consuming horse dewormer, bleach, or hydroxychloroquine.
i could explain about what scientific method is, what makes a piece of research valid, how to judge the meaning and validity of a result. so you can filter out all the contradictory science and get to the truth. but doesn’t sound like you’d be interested.
I’m taking about understanding a subject matter, not getting personal medical advice.
but you seem to be conscientiously anti science, or at least against certain types of science/research. this is really unusual, if it’s true. what is the thinking there? what kind of background leads you to this ideological place?
What are your qualifications?
Are you qualified to determine a fraudulent study?
Have you read any meta-analysis that suggests that promoting Ivermectin (+ anything) for COVID treatment has any actual benefit?
The notion that I’m against science is ridiculous - I’m against unqualified individuals spreading misinformation, that’s it.
that’s not a real qualification you can get. like a certificate of fraudulent study identifying?
i do really know what you mean. i understand what you’re trying to say. but it’s so off topic and such a big topic. let’s leave that argument for another day.
okay nevermind then. you gave off that impression. I’d love to talk seriously with one of these people, but either they are hard to find or they don’t admit to it.