• Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I refuted your points. That’s what a debate is.

    You claimed a lack of rare earth magnets would send technology back to milling grain and pumping water. But they weren’t invented until the 1970’s. The Tesla model S doesn’t even use them.

    You claimed PV solar isn’t self sustainable but we already know it’s cost, which includes profit margins at every stage of manufacturing and transportation, is lower than the energy output over a panels lifetime. That means it is not only self sustainable but makes enough surplus energy for people to live off the jobs of manufacturing the PV panels.

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      4 months ago

      No, you consistently fail to understand the whole mode of the argument. Rare earth magnets is a red herring which you brought up. Cost of PV is another such.

      I gave up because what you said towards the conversation tail made me realize you’re missing too much on your end to be worth my time and are unwilling to investigate on your own. If you “refuted” something, be my guest. I wish it was that easy with reality.

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        4 months ago

        The cost of PV is not a red herring in that the consumer cost is the culmination of all manufacturing efforts required to make PV including profits for everyone. Because of this you can’t claim there are hidden supply chain problems with PV panels without providing any evidence.

        I already addressed your, “research it yourself” deflection.

        This is faith for you.

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              3 months ago

              This concludes the experiment. I did not expect a different outcome.

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                3 months ago

                You expect others to do research to come to your conclusions but won’t do research to come to others conclusions.

                I even went out of my way to provide you a link that showed a mistake. What research did you do to prove yourself wrong?

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                  3 months ago

                  I’m running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials on a difficult topic, on a fringe platform. So far the finge platform is not showing a difference to mainstream ones, as potentially possible from audience self-filtering. While N is low the visible conversion factor so far is zero.

                  To directly address your comment: I am extremely aware of practice of solar PV in Germany, I live there and installed some 2kWp on my roof by myself. Your link has zero relevance to the argument whether current and near future renewable power is autopoietic and whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society. You need to look at primary energy consumption globally, because solar power infrastructure is merely installed in Germany, using mostly external resources.

                  I will not continue this thread further unless you can show me you’re worth my time.

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                    3 months ago

                    I’m running informal sampling about the effectiveness of third party entry-level educational materials

                    You’re not fooling me and I hope for your mental health you aren’t fooling yourself.

                    whether it also can also create, maintain and power the current global technological society

                    But your links didn’t provide any proof of your thesis that renewables are not capable of being autopoietic.

                    The solar data was 6 years out of date. It wouldn’t be unreasonable to assume that a limit was reached and no progress has been made. But we have real world data showing solar costs have continued to go down dramatically over the past 6 years. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/solar-pv-prices

                    The textbook claimed shifting to solar would take 6% of the global gdp over a period of years. But global energy already costs 13% of global gdp. It’s not out of reach and that’s based on 2018 solar costs.

                    Do some research.