have you seen his old public tv show where he interviewed random people? he speaks to a very young goth looking couple. he’s incredibly interested in their opinions and very understanding to their attitude. he’s the kind of “old” you want. not bitter and defensive, but engaged, perceptive and understanding.
This is incredible… This is the type of stuff the internet is made for! They are absolutely different than I would have guessed, which is a good thing! I think it’s amazing “Mike” was volunteering for Bernie
I think there are things he wants that he knows won’t ever happen but he pushes for them anyway. Focusing on ‘taxing the rich’ is never going to happen (IMHO). I think, removing loop holes, and making sure everyone pays there share is a much better fight, and achieves the same results. I’m sure there are other things we’re not lined up on but that one jumps out.
I think, removing loop holes, and making sure everyone pays there share is a much better fight
That is the whole goal of focusing on ‘taxing the rich’, though. These two are the same thing stated in different ways. The only people who abuse these loopholes are the rich. The working class already pays their share.
Maybe you just have a problem with the wording, I guess? Because you don’t seem to disagree, at all, from the quote above.
So, you don’t want to tax the rich? You seem to be misunderstanding something fundamental.
Making the rich pay their fair share would literally mean taxing them. Currently, they are able to get out of it with the loopholes. Removing the loopholes forces the rich to pay taxes.
The fact that you can’t name things means, to me, that you haven’t spent much time really thinking about it. So does the one item you cited.
I’m happy to continue this conversation when you have a solid position to speak from.
Where did I say that? Did you read my whole comment? Are you actively looking to argue?
I actually almost didn’t reply knowing whatever I said would lead to exactly this.
Your right I’m not actively thinking about all of Bernies policies in 2024. 'tax the rich" will garner the support of the “not rich”, you know the ones that don’t pull the strings or have the power.
I read your entire comment. It was lacking in substance or depth. That’s why I made clarifying points.
If you’re not thinking about Bernie politics in 2024, but commenting on a Bernie political post, maybe leave the political part out. Particularly if you aren’t going to speak more about it… this is a forum for discussion after all.
'tax the rich" will garner the support of the “not rich”, you know the ones that don’t pull the strings or have the power.
99.9999% of people are not “rich”. If you have to rely on income from a job to keep from becoming homeless or destitute, then you’re not rich. If you have to work a job to make money, you’re not rich. You can rent a lifestyle, sure. But how long can you sustain it without working?
Remember, expensive lives cost money. Where’s that coming from, exactly? A huge majority of people are working class.
Most people would benefit from a society which taxes corporations and the uber wealthy (non working class) their due share. Higher taxes means more social programs, and social programs are not just welfare. Social programs come in all sorts of varieties, including funding art and museums.
Its the nature of the echo chamber that is Lemmy. I’m over 50 and have voted in every election I could, and Bernie is the only one I ever gave any if my money to.
He could still work on how he markets his policies. No doubt probably could have stated my example better or picked something else. Better yet just not reply.
I appreciate you taking the time to respond and express your views, especially knowing what the response would probably be. Diversity of opinion is always important.
Don’t always align with him policy wise, but man do I like him as a human being. Always focusing on solutions to issues, not attacking others.
have you seen his old public tv show where he interviewed random people? he speaks to a very young goth looking couple. he’s incredibly interested in their opinions and very understanding to their attitude. he’s the kind of “old” you want. not bitter and defensive, but engaged, perceptive and understanding.
I have not, but you’re exactly right!
i misremembered; they were punks. https://youtu.be/OxpsS2nTntQ
Would be hilarious for him to interview them both now, with more-or-less the same set of questions :)
Here’s the same two “mall punks” interviewed in 2020 https://youtu.be/fq97NjNww4w
This is incredible… This is the type of stuff the internet is made for! They are absolutely different than I would have guessed, which is a good thing! I think it’s amazing “Mike” was volunteering for Bernie
Which policies don’t you align with?
I think there are things he wants that he knows won’t ever happen but he pushes for them anyway. Focusing on ‘taxing the rich’ is never going to happen (IMHO). I think, removing loop holes, and making sure everyone pays there share is a much better fight, and achieves the same results. I’m sure there are other things we’re not lined up on but that one jumps out.
That is the whole goal of focusing on ‘taxing the rich’, though. These two are the same thing stated in different ways. The only people who abuse these loopholes are the rich. The working class already pays their share.
Maybe you just have a problem with the wording, I guess? Because you don’t seem to disagree, at all, from the quote above.
He knows that. It’s psychology. You ask for everything you want and more, then you haggle to just what you want.
Yes, it’s stupid, but people are stupid.
So, you don’t want to tax the rich? You seem to be misunderstanding something fundamental.
Making the rich pay their fair share would literally mean taxing them. Currently, they are able to get out of it with the loopholes. Removing the loopholes forces the rich to pay taxes.
The fact that you can’t name things means, to me, that you haven’t spent much time really thinking about it. So does the one item you cited.
I’m happy to continue this conversation when you have a solid position to speak from.
Where did I say that? Did you read my whole comment? Are you actively looking to argue?
I actually almost didn’t reply knowing whatever I said would lead to exactly this.
Your right I’m not actively thinking about all of Bernies policies in 2024. 'tax the rich" will garner the support of the “not rich”, you know the ones that don’t pull the strings or have the power.
I read your entire comment. It was lacking in substance or depth. That’s why I made clarifying points.
If you’re not thinking about Bernie politics in 2024, but commenting on a Bernie political post, maybe leave the political part out. Particularly if you aren’t going to speak more about it… this is a forum for discussion after all.
Your reply didn’t cite a policy position he has after being asked which policy you disagree with.
99.9999% of people are not “rich”. If you have to rely on income from a job to keep from becoming homeless or destitute, then you’re not rich. If you have to work a job to make money, you’re not rich. You can rent a lifestyle, sure. But how long can you sustain it without working?
Remember, expensive lives cost money. Where’s that coming from, exactly? A huge majority of people are working class.
Most people would benefit from a society which taxes corporations and the uber wealthy (non working class) their due share. Higher taxes means more social programs, and social programs are not just welfare. Social programs come in all sorts of varieties, including funding art and museums.
It’s a good and proven tactic. Ask 400% of what may never happen, but at least we get 50%. What catloaf@lemm.ee said.
I love Bernie, and would have given a kidney for him to have gotten the nomination way back when, but it feels like you just got jumped. Sorry bud.
Its the nature of the echo chamber that is Lemmy. I’m over 50 and have voted in every election I could, and Bernie is the only one I ever gave any if my money to.
He could still work on how he markets his policies. No doubt probably could have stated my example better or picked something else. Better yet just not reply.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I appreciate you taking the time to respond and express your views, especially knowing what the response would probably be. Diversity of opinion is always important.
I’m here to make this place better than reddit and with the lower volume of people, those here need to participate.
and if he does attack others they are usually being way obstructionist and spreading bs about the issue or the solutions.