Alt text: a destroyed city filled with speach bubbles all saying “stop your bombs” and Kamala Harris in the foreground with “I’m speaking” in large text along the bottom.
Nice strawman!
“I’m speaking” are literally her words in refence to pro-palestinian protesters chanting at one of her rallies like 2 days ago.
Edit: her campaign has at no point expressed a desire (let alone a demand) to end arms shipments and military aid to Israel. Nor has she expressed at any point that she intends to demand an immediate ceasefire if elected.
Edit2: clarification
Yes this is such a disappointment. All we want to hear is her calling and pledging for the stopping of genocide of the Palestine people.
Continuation of support for genocide.
Nice Liberal nonsense but it seems you forgot this community is for leftists
There’s nothing worse for leftism than leftists making bad arguments.
Calling for the end of genocide is a bad argument? Ok Liberal
Putting words into people’s mouths, as you just did, and strawmanning, as the original meme does, are both bad arguments.
Opposing genocide is a good position. Let’s not weaken our good positions with bad arguments.
Kamela Harris told pro-palestinian protesters at her own rally “I’m speaking” to silence them. This is a fact and not a strawman argument. If you want your comments to not be removed from this community for supporting genocidal entities, you’ll need to explain where the strawman is in the OP meme.
Please, point out the strawman here. I responded already that “I’m speaking” were Kamela’s exact words in response to recent pro-palestine protesters.
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“a full arms embargo would be untenable politically… to appease the pro-Israel members of the U.S electorate.” Is support for genocide which is against rule 5 of this community.
We do not appease genocide supporters here.
The first link you posted is how she responded after the backlash from the events of the rally mentioned in your second link. That “meeting with leaders of the uncommitted movement” provided no actual results in terms of policy changes, only placating words.
The fact that no one “influential in either party” has called for an arms embargo does not invalidate our calls to an end to the genocide. If anything, it further proves the Democratic Party’s support for the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people.
Until the immediate end of all military and financial support to Israel is a part of the Harris campaign’s actual platform, it is absolutely not a strawman to attribute genocide support to her.
Why did she release an official statement condemning the people who protested Netanyahu’s recent US visit? She could have said nothing at all, but chose to attack the very people who “refuse to remain silent” about the genocide. Why didn’t she take the opportunity to agree with the protestors at her rally, and condemn the ongoing genocide and the ongoing US support and enablement of it?
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Just say you’re okay with genocide as long as it’s funded by team blue and only affects brown people on the other side of the world. Just say it.
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The point is to change the system, not enable it by continuing down the same road we’ve been on for 50+ years that has led us to this point.
Consider a Palestinian facing constant threat of extinction paid for and produced by the US. The problem is not which right wing party is in charge when the bombs drop, but the decades long imperialism that has been wholistically supported by both dems and repubs. They’re two sides of the same coin, both hoping the people won’t realize that the whole system is designed to prevent any real change.
Also, your assertion that “genocide light” is acceptable violates rules 2 and 5, and I’m removing your comment because we do not allow support for genocidal entities in this community.
Literally no one wants that.
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The moral of this story is don’t stop protesting. Some liberals are easing up on the Israel/Palestine issue because they believe Kamala will get a ceasefire on favorable terms, but she remains aligned with the status quo and will compromise heavily if she is not pressured by a large constituency on the left. Kamala is more movable on the issue than Biden and that means we need to keep pushing her on it.
There was a more recent rally where she seems to have learned from this mistake and dedicated some time to acknowledging the protestors and calling for a ceasefire before continuing her speech. I think this shows that unlike Biden she sees the protestors as being worth appealing to, and they need to respond to that by making their demands clear and actionable.
I love lemmy for being able to easily block this sort of stuff
Bye bye Liberal :3
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But who would kill the children? /s
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Almost like people should read the community rules before commenting?
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