… isn’t r/place notable for being, despite all the chaos, a place where people cooperate to complete and preserve large projects for their communities? Don’t know that that’s the example you’re looking for.
Yes, people try to do stuff and then get raided. And those communities usually have some kind of leader or group of leaders that organise the plot. It could be compared to the start of agricultural settlements were you had some farmers trying to resist constant raids
There is no hierarchical structure in this scenario. You only use the word “leader” because you are accustomed to using such a framework.
Anarchism does not mean there aren’t people with specific skill sets and/or passions who are more suited or dedicated to a task. In the example you mentioned, there is no hierarchy and no leader, at least not in the sense the term “leader” usually manifests in our current system.
Whatever term you want to use, there is no coercion or hierarchy in such a community. Providing guidance and sharing a creative vision is in no way antithetical to anarchism.
There’s no “gotcha” here like you think there is, and the only thing you’ve made clear is that you don’t understand what anarchism is and how it works lol
I think now you’re coming around! 🙏 A task can be accomplished with people providing guidance apart from any hierarchy or coercion.
In a way, something like r/place is a perfect example of how anarchism works on a small scale.
With that being said, I’m sure there are r/place communities where one person insists on total control, which most of us would immediately recognize as toxic.
Unfortunately, scale this toxicity up to a systemic scale, and suddenly we tend to fear even the suggestion that these systems might be harmful.
Sure, if you’re using “leader” to mean coordinator or guide, then there’s absolutely nothing about this that is antithetical to anarchism. In fact, this can be (as I have previously stated) an example of anarchism working on a small scale.
… isn’t r/place notable for being, despite all the chaos, a place where people cooperate to complete and preserve large projects for their communities? Don’t know that that’s the example you’re looking for.
They create discord servers with a hierarchy where everything is organized. There are creations without but those are fairly limited in my experience.
Yes, people try to do stuff and then get raided. And those communities usually have some kind of leader or group of leaders that organise the plot. It could be compared to the start of agricultural settlements were you had some farmers trying to resist constant raids
There is no hierarchical structure in this scenario. You only use the word “leader” because you are accustomed to using such a framework.
Anarchism does not mean there aren’t people with specific skill sets and/or passions who are more suited or dedicated to a task. In the example you mentioned, there is no hierarchy and no leader, at least not in the sense the term “leader” usually manifests in our current system.
Someone who says when and where to place stuff is a leader, like it or not
Whatever term you want to use, there is no coercion or hierarchy in such a community. Providing guidance and sharing a creative vision is in no way antithetical to anarchism.
There’s no “gotcha” here like you think there is, and the only thing you’ve made clear is that you don’t understand what anarchism is and how it works lol
A leader doesn’t have to use violence for people to listen to them
Care to quote where I referenced violence?
I think now you’re coming around! 🙏 A task can be accomplished with people providing guidance apart from any hierarchy or coercion.
In a way, something like r/place is a perfect example of how anarchism works on a small scale.
With that being said, I’m sure there are r/place communities where one person insists on total control, which most of us would immediately recognize as toxic.
Unfortunately, scale this toxicity up to a systemic scale, and suddenly we tend to fear even the suggestion that these systems might be harmful.
In a way, we’re all sort of like abuse survivors.
Bro do you want me to mention again how a “coordinator” is actually a leader?
Sure, if you’re using “leader” to mean coordinator or guide, then there’s absolutely nothing about this that is antithetical to anarchism. In fact, this can be (as I have previously stated) an example of anarchism working on a small scale.
So I’m glad we both are in agreement!
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