After being left on read by the mods this is the next step in my attempt in getting clarification on how my comment could be read as ‘racist’, the cited ban reason.

Context:

This comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/11028531 which was (posted exactly as it was):

readsettlers.org

CW for genocidal racism

“I can hardly believe that the South and North can live in peace unless we get rid of the Negroes. Certainly they cannot, if we don’t get rid of the Negroes whom we have armed and disciplined and who have fought with us, I believe, to the amount of 150,000 men. I believe it would be better to export them all…” - Abraham Lincoln https://archive.org/details/autobiographyper0192butl page 903

This comment was removed as ‘racist’. See the modlog https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=199626

Attempts at getting clarification:

Seeing no official appeal process I messaged the first mod on the list that had activity in the last couple days. Here is the message I sent @Rooki@lemmy.world on 07 Jul:

Hi,

this is about my ban from Political Memes on lemmy.world . I don’t see an official appeal process nor the mod who banned me so I am messaging you rather randomly. Sorry if I oveelooked something.

I am not sure how my comment was racist when Pugjesus is the one dismissing black voices with a “lol stop being melodramatic”. Fairly certain there is a misunderstanding which I hope to rectify.

Thanks

mathemachristian

after receiving no response, this is the message I sent to the next mod with some activity on the mod list @Tenthrow@lemmy.world on 17 Jul :

Hi,

this is about my ban from !politicalmemes@lemmy.world. I don’t see an official appeal process nor the mod who banned me which is why I see no alternative to DM’ing you directly. Sorry if I overlooked something. I also messaged Rooki over a week ago but never got a reply.

I am not sure how my comment can be seen as racist. I’m hoping to clarify what surely is just a misunderstaning.

Thanks

They at least promptly replied 2.5h later with:

I haven’t taking any mod actions on your account but I will ask around.

My “Appreciate it” was the last communication between me and anyone on the mod team.

Why I care

I am hoping to at least get an explanation on how my comment could be read as racist, because to me this seems like a willful misunderstanding at best (I am quoting Lincoln, those are not my words or views, as should be obvious from the CW I applied to it). Especially with no mod actions taken against the person replying to me linking readsettlers.org with a dismissal of the author, who has been very active in black liberation (though themself not black, that was a mistake in my first message), as “melodramatic”.

  • DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyzEnglish
    10·
    2 months ago

    a. pugjesus is a bit of a fuck, imho

    b. community actions are the discretion of community mods. the only possible recourse if you arent satisfied with their actions (or lack of) is with the instance admins

    c. instance admins are busy af, at least the good ones are. a report of racism, libelous or otherwise, is unlikely to be investigated seriously without a groundswell of support, especially with how many of these sorts of complaints are lodged in this way, and most of them frivolous

    c.ii. most admins dont read these support communities, at least not actively with a view of individual resolution. its generally more like open tech support, anyone with the power of a simple user can answer. this has been my experience, at least

    d. because of that reputation for frivolity, most people wont have read first before downvoting. even if they had, theyd find you are at least not providing the full quote, because pugjesus goes on to quote two paragraphs you didnt include in this post. either that or pugjesus has gone far beyond normal fuckery, which seems frankly unlikely

    e. takin shit way too serious for a meme comm. your effort is wasted on memes. take it to a real community, imo

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.eeOP
      55·
      2 months ago

      a. Yeah i hear he’s got a reputation from others as well, quite settler-brained individual. Further down he talks about antiwhite “racial prejudice” (not racism!)

      b. Rooki is an instance admin right? Also a mod there so I already reached out to them.

      c.i Well this is kind of a last ditch effort.

      c.ii if you a better place Ill post there

      d. I directly linked the comment chain first thing so people can judge for themselves. Also my ban wasn’t about pugjesus so I didn’t feel it necessary to give a detailed recounting on his views. Plus I feel like directly quoting a PoC venting about the sins of the empire, only to then dismiss them as “melodramatic” makes it, if anything, worse.

      e. I mean I didn’t care enough to make this post and let the whole thing sit for over a month, I just want to there to be a public record of it.

  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    2 months ago

    Have you considered that it’s not the quote that was racist, but the source talking about how the white working class is actually at the heart of all the world’s problems?

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.eeOP
      46·
      2 months ago

      Racist against white people? I didn’t actually want to accuse someone of believing in anti-white racism, but if you say so…

      Edit:

      … about how the white working class is actually at the heart of all the world’s problems?

      also thats clearly not what the book says but it talks about how the bourgeoisie enables and nourishes racism, although it critices the white working class for in turn letting themselves be enabled and serving their racist masters by carrying our their racist bidding, you know a dialectical view on the classes.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        2 months ago

        Racist against white people? I didn’t actually want to accuse someone of believing in anti-white racism, but if you say so…

        So your problem is that the mod didn’t remove it for “racial prejudice” instead of “racism”? Or is your claim here that racial prejudice against white people is impossible, rather than using a narrow definition of ‘racism’?

        • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.eeOP
          45·
          2 months ago

          I didnt think that the book was the issue here, it’s not racially prejudiced nor racist. But if that’s the mods views then I guess it makes sense they would ban me for it.

  • Autonomous User@lemmy.worldEnglish
    54·
    2 months ago

    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world persistently fails to follow their own rules, to be civil, destroying the safe and inclusive environment we have worked so hard to create.

  • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
    66·
    2 months ago

    PugJesus and the rest of the Liberal-Zionist mods such as FlyingSquid and JordanLund are having a big push censor the Genocide in Gaza. They want their precious Holocaust Harris to win the election so who cares about a few million brown people being killed in a concentration camp right?

    I was just banned from /Politics for posting a Guardian article debunking JordanLund’s Liberal-Zionist propaganda. They aren’t even trying to hide it anymore.

    • mommykink@lemmy.worldEnglish
      45·
      2 months ago

      Holy shit I’m glad to see I wasn’t alone in hating those guys. They were absolutely insufferable before I learned how to properly block users. The worst thing was when I’d engage on one of their (misinformation) posts w/o realizing it was one of them and have to deal with the bot-driven shitstorm that would ensue

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.eeOP
      57·
      2 months ago

      oh god I recently had a discussion with FlyingSquid, where he kept not reading before replying. Quite funny tbh. I mean I’m not holding out hope, they want to recreate reddit 2.0 after all, no wonder their moderation reflects that as well, but it’s nice to have a public record of their brainworms when they’re on display.

      • Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
        57·
        2 months ago

        FlyingSquid is a crybully who makes up false allegations and resorts to ad-hominems when he tries to defend israel. He lied about me defending the usage of child soldiers, something which never happened, to ban me from from /WorldNews. I’ve made a post about him here

        • Autonomous User@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          2 months ago

          He lied about me defending the usage of child soldiers

          They have abused me in exactly the same way!

        • mommykink@lemmy.worldEnglish
          53·
          2 months ago

          I had no idea so many other people had had negative interactions with FlyingSquid and the rest of that crowd (probably because of the bans). Glad to know I wasn’t alone

  • mommykink@lemmy.worldEnglish
    77·
    2 months ago

    pugjesus is a hyperonline loser who loves to push a revionist, anti-Marxist idea of history, youre not gonna get un-banned. Just make a new account or find a different community to post in

    • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      No offense dude but I don’t think you should throw around the “hyper online” line.

      Coming from someone with a known digital addiction (not high grounding)

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      2 months ago

      who loves to push a revionist, anti-Marxist idea of history,

      Apparently, revisionist anti-Marxism is when you think history is dictated primarily by material and cultural currents, not whether a given society is ‘moral’ enough to advance. TIL.

    • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
      32·
      2 months ago

      My feed got so much better once I blocked them. It’s just amazing how much they post with it when their description says it’s just for lemmy.world federation testing