reason: Admitting to being a troll: “I’m an agent of chaos.”
Absolutely the limpest reason to temp ban someone from a shitposting community. From the context it was obviously an offhanded joke, not an actual admission of someone trying to disrupt the community.
Then the mods should be honest about why he’s being banned in the modlog.
Him (charitably) being an overzealous meanie in defense of an honest brand of feminism does not make him a shitlord.
Sometimes people need to be dunked on for both their own good and the good of the community, obviously myself included. A perfectly appropriate venue for some gentle dunking is a shitposting community.
It’s a shame that the thread got locked. It was getting heated, but IMO that’s a good sign that what you’re talking about actually needs to be debated.
Him being an overzealous meanie in defense of an honest brand of feminismassuming anyone who says men should be treated better is expecting complete deference from women does not make him a shitlord.
From the context it was obviously an offhanded joke,
Ah so that’s the thread in question. Was wondering what post it was and honestly, I suspected that one of being rage bait.
The original image seemed like it was missing context so I figured OP was gonna come swinging in later against any comments saying it was extreme with the additional context.
And yes, out of context I thought it was a bit extreme. I don’t necessarily agree with what the first person in the image said although that’s a complex topic that deserves a much lengthier discussion, but just randomly having someone tell them that they’re a creep who deserves to be tased is fairly extreme without any additional context. Keep in mind, I have no idea who the individual is or what they’ve done.
We’re failures as shitposters when a shitpost generates that much drama
Hard disagree lol, I love when a shitpost actually gets people to debate about important things. So many people would just never think about that stuff otherwise.
Yeah. That’s literally one of the main cores of shitpost culture, obviously trolling is just as foundational, but derailing or sparking discussion is another main ingredient of what makes a shitpost a shitpost.
Wikipedia:
In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of “aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality”.Shitposts are generally intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort.
KnowYourMeme:
“Shitposting” is an Internet slang term describing a range of user misbehaviors and rhetoric on forums and message boards that are intended to derail a conversation off-topic, including thread jacking, circlejerking and non-commercial spamming.
Meriam-Webster:
: to post something online (such as a comment, video, or meme) that is deliberately absurd, provocative, or offensive
Urban Dictionary:
A post of little to no sincere insightful substance. Especially a “shit”(low)-effort/quality-post with the sole purpose to confuse, provoke, entertain or otherwise evoke an unproductive reaction. Often exemplified in surreal out-of-context posts.
Digital Cultures:
Shitposting is an internet slang expression, with several varying meanings, depending on the context.
It usually refers to the non-conforming behavior of users, or to the creation of off-topic posts and memes, that are way out of context and serve to push the conversation of its original path.
“Shitposts” are almost always low quality, with little to no concrete value and are mostly made for trolling others.
It’s just public, unlike reddit. There have been countless controversies over poor moderation on reddit. On lemmy everyone can see when someone is banned for bullshit reasons and call it out. Don’t mistake awareness for frequency
Okay but you can always make your own shitposting community on your own instance with your own rules if you feel so strongly against the rules. That option simply was not available on R*ddit. The point of Lemmy isn’t that no one abuses their mod and admin powers ever, but that the system is set up so that you can just go to another Lemmy server, which simply was not available on R*ddit if you pissed off the site admins.
Although I personally find Lemmy users nicer and moderation better on average, their character is not the point. It is merely the result of an imperfect but better system than R*ddit.
The inevitable centralization of the fediverse means starting your own instance is not the cure all people pretend it is, even discounting the obvious technical difficulties of hosting one.
Okay but you can always make your own shitposting community on your own instance with your own rules if you feel so strongly against the rules. That option simply was not available on R*ddit.
That happened on reddit all the time, minus the instance part. Remember /r/freefolk?
That happened on reddit all the time, minus the instance part. Remember /r/freefolk?
The “instance part” is absolutely huge. If I wanted to, I could go start a /c/lemmyshitpost on SDF Lemmy [1] with a completely new set of rules [2], particularly a set of rules that possibly would violate Lemmy.world’s TOS or possibly even the law in Lemmy.world’s jurisdiction, but not SDF’s or their jurisdiction’s laws.
It’s not a big deal for the average user until the day you run afoul of the server admins.
[1] As of writing this, SDF does not have a /c/lemmyshitpost.
[2] I’m not interested in doing that lol, this is just a hypothetical. I’m annoyed at this most recent decision but nowhere near ready to leave over it.
yeah but when people go to add communities they ignore the little one with 3 followers when there’s a comm with the same name that has 3000.
Is like saying oh you don’t like your local librarians? you’re free to make your own library!
Okay well being free to do something doesn’t magically make it a real option. The truth is whatever comm gets the biggest following first is the one everyone goes to. Are there even any exceptions to that that aren’t entire communities agreeing to move together off instances?
For literally the entire time I have been on lemmy I have heard laments about the centralization of comms on lemmy.world and seen attempts to mitigate it but every pie chart just shows lemmy.world with more of the pie because growing a comm on small servers isn’t simple!
Is like saying oh you don’t like your local librarians? you’re free to make your own library!
I’m probably being pedantic here but you kinda can, e.g. Little Free Libraries, although the reason isn’t “my local librarians suck”, it’s closer to “more libraries please”.
Okay well being free to do something doesn’t magically make it a real option.
Agreed, but I fail to see how, with enough consent from the user base, how moving to another existing server is not an option.
Are there even any exceptions to that that aren’t entire communities agreeing to move together off instances?
I’m not aware of any off the top of my head, but it absolutely does not seem implausible that we could move this community if the need arises. Entire communities moved off of Reddit during the boycott; I don’t see why we can’t do that again within the platform if the need arises. For the most part people are okay with the moderation here, as am I, but the minute that changes people will flee somewhere else.
For literally the entire time I have been on lemmy I have heard laments about the centralization of comms on lemmy.world and seen attempts to mitigate it but every pie chart just shows lemmy.world with more of the pie because growing a comm on small servers isn’t simple!
Nah because then someone could just post (for example) medical gore in a “safe space” and it’ll just get downvoted but not removed.
It wasn’t gore, but do you remember the ThuleanPerspective (I think?) trolls from a little while back, spamming that racist photoshopped Simpsons comic by commenting it on literally everything? That effort was neutralized in the short term by deleting those comments on the spot, and then the users who posted them.
It is absolutely a useful tool, but like most useful tools it can be abused.
Absolutely the limpest reason to temp ban someone from a shitposting community. From the context it was obviously an offhanded joke, not an actual admission of someone trying to disrupt the community.
What they said was “I’m a shitlord”, and they did attack people in the comments who disagreed with them in an exceptionally trollish way.
It’s a shame that the thread got locked. It was getting heated, but IMO that’s a good sign that what you’re talking about actually needs to be debated.
Perhaps not, but saying the words “I am a shitlord” does.
The mods were actually very clear about it in the thread. Pinned comment.
imho not a good enough reason. But hey I’m not a mod.
That’s pretty funny actually.
Ah so that’s the thread in question. Was wondering what post it was and honestly, I suspected that one of being rage bait.
The original image seemed like it was missing context so I figured OP was gonna come swinging in later against any comments saying it was extreme with the additional context.
And yes, out of context I thought it was a bit extreme. I don’t necessarily agree with what the first person in the image said although that’s a complex topic that deserves a much lengthier discussion, but just randomly having someone tell them that they’re a creep who deserves to be tased is fairly extreme without any additional context. Keep in mind, I have no idea who the individual is or what they’ve done.
Mods being toxic? Some things never change.
Show me a good mod and I’ll show you an honest politician.
Have you ever modded any community? I’m not perfect, I’m a human being with a life and other responsibilities.
We’re just trying to keep this place civil enough so everyone can enjoy it. Sometimes that means taking action against people detracting from that.
The fuckin essays that generated. Jesus christ. We’re failures as shitposters when a shitpost generates that much drama.
Hard disagree lol, I love when a shitpost actually gets people to debate about important things. So many people would just never think about that stuff otherwise.
Yeah. That’s literally one of the main cores of shitpost culture, obviously trolling is just as foundational, but derailing or sparking discussion is another main ingredient of what makes a shitpost a shitpost.
Wikipedia:
KnowYourMeme:
Meriam-Webster:
Urban Dictionary:
Digital Cultures:
And this is why Lemmy sucks.
Mods have a stick up their asses even further than Reddit mods do.
The apply rules in a petty zero-tolerance way.
It’s just public, unlike reddit. There have been countless controversies over poor moderation on reddit. On lemmy everyone can see when someone is banned for bullshit reasons and call it out. Don’t mistake awareness for frequency
Excellent point. On reddit you’re just shadowbanned with no explanation.
Okay but you can always make your own shitposting community on your own instance with your own rules if you feel so strongly against the rules. That option simply was not available on R*ddit. The point of Lemmy isn’t that no one abuses their mod and admin powers ever, but that the system is set up so that you can just go to another Lemmy server, which simply was not available on R*ddit if you pissed off the site admins.
Although I personally find Lemmy users nicer and moderation better on average, their character is not the point. It is merely the result of an imperfect but better system than R*ddit.
The inevitable centralization of the fediverse means starting your own instance is not the cure all people pretend it is, even discounting the obvious technical difficulties of hosting one.
That happened on reddit all the time, minus the instance part. Remember /r/freefolk?
The “instance part” is absolutely huge. If I wanted to, I could go start a /c/lemmyshitpost on SDF Lemmy [1] with a completely new set of rules [2], particularly a set of rules that possibly would violate Lemmy.world’s TOS or possibly even the law in Lemmy.world’s jurisdiction, but not SDF’s or their jurisdiction’s laws.
It’s not a big deal for the average user until the day you run afoul of the server admins.
[1] As of writing this, SDF does not have a /c/lemmyshitpost.
[2] I’m not interested in doing that lol, this is just a hypothetical. I’m annoyed at this most recent decision but nowhere near ready to leave over it.
yeah but when people go to add communities they ignore the little one with 3 followers when there’s a comm with the same name that has 3000.
Is like saying oh you don’t like your local librarians? you’re free to make your own library!
Okay well being free to do something doesn’t magically make it a real option. The truth is whatever comm gets the biggest following first is the one everyone goes to. Are there even any exceptions to that that aren’t entire communities agreeing to move together off instances?
For literally the entire time I have been on lemmy I have heard laments about the centralization of comms on lemmy.world and seen attempts to mitigate it but every pie chart just shows lemmy.world with more of the pie because growing a comm on small servers isn’t simple!
I’m probably being pedantic here but you kinda can, e.g. Little Free Libraries, although the reason isn’t “my local librarians suck”, it’s closer to “more libraries please”.
Agreed, but I fail to see how, with enough consent from the user base, how moving to another existing server is not an option.
I’m not aware of any off the top of my head, but it absolutely does not seem implausible that we could move this community if the need arises. Entire communities moved off of Reddit during the boycott; I don’t see why we can’t do that again within the platform if the need arises. For the most part people are okay with the moderation here, as am I, but the minute that changes people will flee somewhere else.
Hard agree there. I’m not sure how to fix it.
Agreed. I think moderating comments needs to be banished. The community can self-moderate with voting.
Banning users is pointless. Accounts can be created very easily. With decentralized one doesn’t even need to go to the lengths one does with Reddit.
Moderating should be reserved for keeping a sub’s posts relevant to the group’s purpose and nothing else.
Nah because then someone could just post (for example) medical gore in a “safe space” and it’ll just get downvoted but not removed.
It wasn’t gore, but do you remember the ThuleanPerspective (I think?) trolls from a little while back, spamming that racist photoshopped Simpsons comic by commenting it on literally everything? That effort was neutralized in the short term by deleting those comments on the spot, and then the users who posted them.
It is absolutely a useful tool, but like most useful tools it can be abused.