• catloaf@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    I am once again asking for meat and dairy subsidies in the US to be shifted to alternatives like plant-based products and lab meat.

    One of the biggest barriers to alternatives is the cost. Currently they cost like twice as much as the “normal” product. If they cost a roughly equal amount, more people would start buying them instead. The US has huge agriculture subsidies; we could shift them to alternatives to encourage a change in production and a change in retail purchasing.

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      2 months ago

      Yeah, meat is so heavily subsidized. And I’ll acknowledge that this is one of those problems that you can’t really solve unless you’re willing to yank your political career and your party. People don’t want to quit meat like they don’t want gas to be expensive enough to account for the damage done by using it

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      2 months ago

      Personally, I do not want any lab grown meat, and as for the pseudo burgers and chicken (I grew up vegetarian) the “nutritional” benefits are not their due to over processing

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        2 months ago

        That’s one opinion. I will take all of the lab grown meat thanks. I’m vegetarian, working to vegan. If there was pork chop that came out tomorrow that was made in a lab and no pig died for it - I’m fucking eating it.

        Impossible foods have allowed me to go veggie, so I think we should sing their praises.

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          2 months ago

          but why would you eat something that makes you sick? meat is meat. the artificial one will make you sick as well.

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            2 months ago

            ???

            Humans are omnivores. Meat doesn’t make us sick. Over consumption makes us sick. I don’t eat impossible for every meal. I eat it maybe once or twice a week.

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              2 months ago

              but that is what the article is about? meat makes us and the planet sick, apparently.

              thats what the report finds, its in the title.

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                2 months ago

                Just because one thing is healthier doesn’t mean the other makes you sick.

                Your dumb logic is what makes me sick.

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            2 months ago

            Probably for the same reasons a lot of us humans are drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco. And eating intense amounts of sugar.

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        2 months ago

        Personally, I don’t want to be part of a human society which purposefully creates huge amounts of suffering for animals (including human animals). Yet, here we are.

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          2 months ago

          that is a point i can get behind. solid ethics intstead of marketing pseudo meat when you just can eat the plant like it is.

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            2 months ago

            Pseudo meat is a way to help people who miss meat to eat less of it. It’s not a necessary feature of a non-meat diet.

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              2 months ago

              I think its a way to make money… I kinda stopped believing that Food supppliers are in the buisness for anything other than profit.

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        2 months ago

        That’s fine, you don’t have to eat them. You can still pay a premium for the more environmentally-expensive real meat, instead of the government-subsidized costs we pay now.

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        2 months ago

        So? Don’t eat them? I dont see why you are upset at the suggestion of changing our national subsidiaries away from what we know is harming the environment.

        Besides, there is a lot more to eat veg than the proceed Morningstar, Boca, Immposible junk. I mostly eat rice, beans, curry and tofu I prepare myself.

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              2 months ago

              yeah, well, you got a point there. sure.

              but every media source talks about lab meat like its a viable thing to manufacture, sell and buy. like a real alternative to meat. i found only one place to buy it, read this:

              “For the first time in history, you can buy cultivated meat in retail to cook at home. Our newest product, GOOD Meat 3, is now available to buy in the frozen groceries section at Huber’s Butchery, one of Singapore’s premier producers and suppliers of high-quality meat products. This delicious, shredded chicken is made with 3% cultivated meat in combination with plant-based ingredients, similar to the way we’ve always made our chicken. GOOD Meat 3 gives us a way to make our cultivated meat more readily available, while we continue to scale our technology.”

              so 3 percent lab grown meat is in the thing you can buy.

              https://www.hubers.com.sg/Productlisting.aspx?CatID=SABVAEIARQBSAFMAMQBIAFUAQgBFAFIAUwA=

              but i doubt they sell it, because its not listed in their shop.

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                Every single piece of technology that you use daily without even thinking about it because it is so deeply ingrained in your life at one point had people just like you talking about it just like that. You people never figure out that today isn’t the rest of time. It’s like the opposite of object permanency or something, some people just can’t figure out that now isn’t here forever.

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                  2 months ago

                  i am autistic for a reason, but, its not my goddamn fault that you can’t buy this stuff anywhere, while you vegan folk make playpretend like you could do that.

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                At this point, it’s basically a technological marvel. You’re definitely right about that.

                Give it 10 years, and I’d be willing to bet you’ll be able to buy 100% lab-grown meat at rates that are at least competitive.

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                  2 months ago

                  competitive to what , thats the question ;-) but yes, you are completely right, i dont know what the future will bring.

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                    Competitive to slaughtered meat. Lab-grown meat is literally just meat. The 3% stuff is just a gimmick. Give it a decade or so and I think we’ll have 100% lab-grown meat.

                    I could even see it being cheaper and just as good as (if not better than) slaughtered meat in the future. Kind of like lab-grown diamonds compared to mined diamonds.

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        2 months ago

        I wish I could be there the day you bit into what you decided was a delicious burger or steak, only to be told that- *gasp*- it was grown in a lab and that DNA is DNA.

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          Most meatists like that would just get angry when they encounter that. Saying you tricked them.

          And then they would start eating even more meat just to spite you and vegans.

          It really isn’t that big of an argument I’m afraid.