Saying that blanket condemnation of a technology is dumb is bad? I agree with the highlighted statement.
AI can allow people to create things they would be otherwise unable to create due disabilities. How is this even a debateable point?
Lower classes of people often don’t have the time to learn skills like painting or music to the same degree as people born into the ownership class. Being against the development of tools that can make up for some of that lack of skill is classist.
AI is currently used to oppress working class people but under capitalism that is always the end point for any technological advancement. It is not a problem with the tech itself just its implementation.
It’s bad under capitalism. If we had a different system where artists didn’t need to work for their livelihood, having them freely give their works to AI development in order to create AI art might be interesting. That’s not the world we live in though.
Bringing disabilities into it isn’t gonna outweigh the fact that corporations are currently stealing the work of individual people for their gain, without compensation to those people.
I would also say that learning how to art good has very few hurdles in front of it in current year. Most artists I know and have paid for art have never formally studied art at all. You really just need an art program, which are free (for real or for pirates) and either a dedicated art tablet (cheap ones cost less than 100$), or a regular tablet with an art program. Oh and thousands of hours of practice. Which is something you only do if you have the drive to learn, regardless of your monetary situation. Do you think most artists actually impacted by AI art are rich assholes who learned art out of boredom because their family had too much money? That’s about as big a group as the amount of rich people who learn carpentry because they have free time. Which is to say: very very few.
But conversely I could point you at dozens of people from developing countries right that I have interacted with, who have been able to live comfortable lives by learning art and doing commissions over the internet. Yea we should really get on task stealing from them so that some Silicon Valley asshole can make another billion dollars. Sterling logic.
Also, is it abelist to say that if someone can’t invest those hours, they should not be able to do good art? I don’t think so. Like any skill, you have to hone it and get good over time through experience. If you can’t put in the time to learn it after you work your day job (literally me), then that sucks, but that’s not a disability. And if you do have a disability, I guess it’s okay to go to a carpenter and demand they give you some furniture, because you can’t make it yourself. Makes total sense. I would support going to Ikea to demand your furniture, but that is where the comparison breaks down, because corporations don’t make art.
Also, to tackle this from another angle: There is no creative process involved in telling an AI to make you a picture. Actually ZERO. You aren’t being creative by writing “Woman drinking Tea Art Station High Quality Red Hair Name of real artist I want you to steal from” into the prompter and then discarding the first seven outputs because they have too many fingers and the teacup looks weird.
Saying that we should join into the exploitation because it’s inevitable under capitalism is just you wanting your treats and working backwards from there. No ethical consumption under capitalism wasn’t meant as an instructional manual. You are still meant to not partake in the stuff you don’t have to partake in if you can help it.
corporations are currently stealing the work of individual people for their gain, without compensation to those people.
AI referencing hand made images/writing to build an algorithm to produce similar images/writing is not stealing. Its even less stealing than Piracy is. The harm caused by protection of Intellectual Property, and the direct benefits it poses for capitalists, far outweighs any damage to artists who might lose their elevated living standards because now a person who hasn’t invested thousands of hours can get a share of their profit.
and thousands of hours of practice. Which is something you only do if you have the drive to learn, regardless of your monetary situation.
Time poverty is a symptom of financial poverty. Read some fucking theory. Training to become an artist is costly and those who cannot pay those costs are often of lower classes. When lower class families are able to raise an artist it is often at the cost to other siblings.
I could point you at dozens of people from developing countries right that I have interacted with, who have been able to live comfortable lives by learning art
“I’m a labor aristocrat.” Western Imperialism is giving you access to treats that would be outside your financial means if the artist living conditions weren’t shit or if you had to obtain them at local prices.
Art as a means of lifting individuals out of poverty has long been a trick to convince people living under oppressive capitalism into having some sort of hope for a better life. It is just another repackaged version of the entrepreneur millionaire who pulled themselves up by their boot straps.
Like any skill, you have to hone it and get good over time through experience. If you can’t put in the time to learn it after you work your day job (literally me), then that sucks, but that’s not a disability.
Still unable to see the classist brain worms staring you in the face.
Your “another angle” is ludicrous. It takes less work to snap a photo than it does to make a good AI image. Is photography not an art form? Composition and knowing what is good or bad is a major part of art and is as important with AI art as photography. People said the same bullshit about about digital music in the early 2000s and digital drawing/painting in the early 10s.
Saying that we should join into the exploitation because it’s inevitable under capitalism
I didn’t say that. I said that a blanket rejection of AI (or any tech) is stupid. The highlighted part of the OP specifically says that.
just you wanting your treats and working backwards from there.
Are you really trying to call me a “Treat Defender.” Art is “treats” regardless of whether they are boutique hand crafted by 3rd world artists or whether they are AI generated. I’d argue that unless you are sure the artists you are paying have unimpeachable political views, you demanding everyone consume only the over priced labor intensive option is the real treat poisoned take.
AI can allow people to create things they would be otherwise unable to create due disabilities. How is this even a debateable point?
Lower classes of people often don’t have the time to learn skills like painting or music to the same degree as people born into the ownership class. Being against the development of tools that can make up for some of that lack of skill is classist.
Saying that blanket condemnation of a technology is dumb is bad? I agree with the highlighted statement.
AI can allow people to create things they would be otherwise unable to create due disabilities. How is this even a debateable point?
Lower classes of people often don’t have the time to learn skills like painting or music to the same degree as people born into the ownership class. Being against the development of tools that can make up for some of that lack of skill is classist.
AI is currently used to oppress working class people but under capitalism that is always the end point for any technological advancement. It is not a problem with the tech itself just its implementation.
It’s bad under capitalism. If we had a different system where artists didn’t need to work for their livelihood, having them freely give their works to AI development in order to create AI art might be interesting. That’s not the world we live in though.
Bringing disabilities into it isn’t gonna outweigh the fact that corporations are currently stealing the work of individual people for their gain, without compensation to those people.
I would also say that learning how to art good has very few hurdles in front of it in current year. Most artists I know and have paid for art have never formally studied art at all. You really just need an art program, which are free (for real or for pirates) and either a dedicated art tablet (cheap ones cost less than 100$), or a regular tablet with an art program. Oh and thousands of hours of practice. Which is something you only do if you have the drive to learn, regardless of your monetary situation. Do you think most artists actually impacted by AI art are rich assholes who learned art out of boredom because their family had too much money? That’s about as big a group as the amount of rich people who learn carpentry because they have free time. Which is to say: very very few.
But conversely I could point you at dozens of people from developing countries right that I have interacted with, who have been able to live comfortable lives by learning art and doing commissions over the internet. Yea we should really get on task stealing from them so that some Silicon Valley asshole can make another billion dollars. Sterling logic.
Also, is it abelist to say that if someone can’t invest those hours, they should not be able to do good art? I don’t think so. Like any skill, you have to hone it and get good over time through experience. If you can’t put in the time to learn it after you work your day job (literally me), then that sucks, but that’s not a disability. And if you do have a disability, I guess it’s okay to go to a carpenter and demand they give you some furniture, because you can’t make it yourself. Makes total sense. I would support going to Ikea to demand your furniture, but that is where the comparison breaks down, because corporations don’t make art.
Also, to tackle this from another angle: There is no creative process involved in telling an AI to make you a picture. Actually ZERO. You aren’t being creative by writing “Woman drinking Tea Art Station High Quality Red Hair Name of real artist I want you to steal from” into the prompter and then discarding the first seven outputs because they have too many fingers and the teacup looks weird.
Saying that we should join into the exploitation because it’s inevitable under capitalism is just you wanting your treats and working backwards from there. No ethical consumption under capitalism wasn’t meant as an instructional manual. You are still meant to not partake in the stuff you don’t have to partake in if you can help it.
AI referencing hand made images/writing to build an algorithm to produce similar images/writing is not stealing. Its even less stealing than Piracy is. The harm caused by protection of Intellectual Property, and the direct benefits it poses for capitalists, far outweighs any damage to artists who might lose their elevated living standards because now a person who hasn’t invested thousands of hours can get a share of their profit.
Time poverty is a symptom of financial poverty. Read some fucking theory. Training to become an artist is costly and those who cannot pay those costs are often of lower classes. When lower class families are able to raise an artist it is often at the cost to other siblings.
“I’m a labor aristocrat.” Western Imperialism is giving you access to treats that would be outside your financial means if the artist living conditions weren’t shit or if you had to obtain them at local prices.
Art as a means of lifting individuals out of poverty has long been a trick to convince people living under oppressive capitalism into having some sort of hope for a better life. It is just another repackaged version of the entrepreneur millionaire who pulled themselves up by their boot straps.
Still unable to see the classist brain worms staring you in the face.
Your “another angle” is ludicrous. It takes less work to snap a photo than it does to make a good AI image. Is photography not an art form? Composition and knowing what is good or bad is a major part of art and is as important with AI art as photography. People said the same bullshit about about digital music in the early 2000s and digital drawing/painting in the early 10s.
I didn’t say that. I said that a blanket rejection of AI (or any tech) is stupid. The highlighted part of the OP specifically says that.
Are you really trying to call me a “Treat Defender.” Art is “treats” regardless of whether they are boutique hand crafted by 3rd world artists or whether they are AI generated. I’d argue that unless you are sure the artists you are paying have unimpeachable political views, you demanding everyone consume only the over priced labor intensive option is the real treat poisoned take.
Sorry, but this is a joke, right?