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    Of course they do. That’s what happens when you invade someone, the someone you invade also hits back at you.

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      In fact this is basically the only way for the war to end. By capturing Russian territory Russia now has a reason to come to negotiations to just call everything off to get their land back.

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      Same applies for Palestinians, Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam. You’d be totally fine with that.

      right? right?

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          Nonono you’re not supposed to have principles, you’re supposed to just pick sides instead otherwise ‘what about USA’ won’t work as a gotcha. Just think of the poor tankies, whatabout USA is all they have, would you really tankie that away from them?

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          Imagine thinking you got Lemmy by suggesting that Vietnam should have counter invaded America

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            Imagine thinking you got Lemmy by suggesting that Vietnam should have counter invaded America

            1. What? “You’ve got Lemmy” is that a parallel universe Jennifer Anniston and Adam Sandler movie?
            2. Total suicide mission, but Vietnam taking Portland, Oregon, would have been weird.
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              Lmfao! Vietnam counter attacking the America invasions by just going straight for Poland is a fucking family guy skit. And I just cackled laughed in a public bathroom stall.

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    Every war is weird it’s own way, but that thing is probably unprecedented. How can a war-torn country fight having one hand strapped to the back with a country having 4x it’s population and resources? And still managing to resist after 2,5 to 10 years of warfare? Imagine that in fiction and you’d call it unbelievable.

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        Technically, yes, the offensive does consume like 3x of what is needed for defense the same position, but it works right only if that’s a war of equals. Ukraine was and is underpowered on it’s own, and even with the stuff other countries donated. Them gaining an edge in the warzone in the last years often involved either technological trickery or great insights and tactics using their limited resources.

        One other thing that breaks that rule and makes this change in the narrative significant - is that russians could deploy their bombers, fuel, supply centers near the border, thinking they can’t get effecrively hit, that giving them a big boost whatever they do, and if this handicap gets denied, they’d have a harder time supplying another operation from further away.

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    But was this ever a question? The problem was if they can use “gifted” weaponry for this purpose.

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      By international law they can use weapons supplied by other nations even for long range strikes into Russia yes, to my knowledge it’s just a gentleman’s agreement that they follow the terms of the nation supplying them. Not really a point of contention though as it would be idiotic to violate those terms at risk of not being supplied anymore.

      The only point of contention is whether supplying nations should decide to allow strikes into Russia with their equipment because Russia continues to threaten that it would see that as an act of war from the supplying nation. So legally nothing wrong with it but you have to weigh that decision with possibility of starting World War III or a nuclear apocalypse.

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      Very unlikely. There was a possibility early on that Putin would decide to go out with a fiery bang of glory, but time passed and nothing happened. He might threaten use of nukes, but won’t actually use them for fear of retaliation. The whole fucking point of nuclear weapons was deterrence until the brain-dead US decided to actually use them. One can hope the world learned their lesson.

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            Why are you presenting it as a fact when the article says

            Movements of planes used by top Kremlin officials show Putin may be in a hideaway near Surgut in western Siberia, it is claimed.

            Also “it is claimed” by the Ukrainian side. Do you have any Russian sources to corroborate this?

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              I stated my opinion and linked to the article that supports that assertion. If Russia was unhappy with that “claim” they could have refuted it by a simple image or video, which they didn’t do.

              Do you have any Russian sources to corroborate this?

              Lack of refuting from Russia is confirmation of that being the case in my eyes. If you need a detailed response from Russia’s spokesperson, then there isn’t one.

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                linked to the article that supports that assertion

                It doesn’t support that assertion at all. It’s highly speculative based on flight movements and a lack of response from russia lol

                Also if you take lack of response from the other side as a confirmation, then oh boy have you checked what the RT and TASS are saying about the war?

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            Putin is not a coward, he is brave, wise and strong.

            He is leading the world into a better future. He will remove western influence from Afro-Eurasia and maybe even South America.

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    The US: This is the most important election of your entire life and if you vote wrong there will never be another election

    Also the US: ensures there will never be another election anywhere by starting world war 3

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        The Russian Army is just removing Nazi influence from the Ukraine, Russian civilians did nothing wrong. No Ukrainian civilians have been killed, it’s all lies from the Nazis.

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          How can the Russian Army be removing Nazi influence, when the influence comes directly from the Russian government?

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          Yikes. Get out of your bubble dude. We have literal footage of civilian buildings being bombed, filmed by regular people. We have video footage of Russian tanks swerving to intentionally run over cars with people in them.

          I know this won’t convince you, but honestly, it’s upsetting that people are like this.

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          Why are they interfering in another country’s military? Under what authority?

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      Also the US: ensures there will never be another election anywhere by starting world war 3

      Russia pressed the WW3 button almost 3 years ago. We’re just taking our time getting to the party.

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    Even if it results in Russia retaliating against the west? Hopefully there’s an end to it all before then

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      Two and a half years into a 3 day invasion and Russia wants to attack NATO countries in retaliation for Ukraine using weapons gifted to them at their full capabilities after themselves receiving additional weapons from Iran they use without restraint? It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for them.

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        Yea, I’m sure it won’t work out for them, but you never know how desperate Putin can be. People say that he’s crazy but not stupid, but to wage war against the west after struggling with Ukraine? Yea, it’d be a bold strategy indeed

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    nations supplying weapons to Kyiv have the right to limit their use

    What a pathetic statement. “We’re going to encourage Ukraine to start WW3 and then hand the responsibility to the individual states.”

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        The moment a US made and supplied missile lands in Moscow, you might just see how.

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      I can’t believe Ukraine launched an unprovoked full scale invasion of Russia on February 24, 2022. Wait a minute, that’s not quite right is it

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      What an absolute dumb view of this entire situation. Was it the paint chips or the microplastics that got you?