I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!
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That’s how things should work honestly. Those that can chip in, should. A beer every so often goes a long way. It’s honestly something I barely notice in my finances too. This time it goes to something I believe in instead of a twitch sub lol.
Agreed, I started donating to Lemmy as soon as I switched, and I’m happy to pay for sync too. I want to support this ecosystem.
Don’t get me started on twitch subs. Supporting a creator you like is fine, but spending 100s of dollars on gift subs is so stupid.
Twitch looking at their top creators leaving for other platforms.
Increasing our revenue share, unilaterally, should fix this.
“Supporting creators is fine, but supporting them more is so stupid”
Ok LUL.
Is that what gift subs are? I’ve never understood that. Is it like a tip?
Subs are kinda like tip, except you get something in return. Usually its emotes you can use on any stream on twitch. Some streamers can make other stuff like sub only discord channel but its optional.
Gift subs are exactly the same except you give the benefits to some other chaters.
My guess is they mean in the sense of “support creaters as you’d like, but don’t throw all your money into it just for them to pay attention to you for a second”
Well then they probably should’ve said that instead of saying something unrelated to the point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eli5 gift subs?
Subs = subscriptions.
A sub on Twitch gives you a badge and special emojis on your subbed channel (streamer).
You also have the option to gift (randomly) 1, 5, 25, 50, 100 subs to random followers (users).
A sub costs $5 in the US, you can gift 100 subs ($500) if you want to.
Yep! The developer of Connect for Lemmy is getting caffeinated on a regular basis by me. It’s a perfect fit for the RIF gap in my heart. ;)
He/She(?) is doing an awesome job and it’s amazing how far this app has come in just a few short weeks. I am trying to keep the dev motivated as much as possible, for sure!
My only gripe is that it’s not open source, but that is OK.
“They”
Personally, I think the app is absolutely fine without paying for the subscription. I really don’t see too many ads. I get an average of one ad for every two refreshes of the feed when scrolling through, and none of them have been obtrusive. It’s certainly night and day when compared to the ads in the official Reddit app.
This is my biggest problem with it. I have no issue with Sync charging. I have an issue with Sync charging and not passing anything on to the developers of Lemmy.
Yeah. If you got 100$ to spare you should be giving it lemmy instead of sync.
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The difference is that some users have been using sync for a decade and using Lemmy for only a month. So it’s a lot easier to mentally justify supporting a developer who you’ve been benefiting from for so long.
I have also donated to my local instance, I really hope to see it all grow together.
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Reddit has benefitted from Sync, and other 3rd party apps, way more than Sync has benefitted from Reddit.
It’s less clear cut with Lemmy, which is supposed to evolve an ecosystem of free tools, so it might be that some day Sync will be benefitting from Lemmy more than Lemmy from Sync… but for now, Lemmy is relatively bare bones, like what Reddit used to be 15 years ago, so any 3rd party app with extra features is still a good thing.
Fortunately, Lemmy has no incentive to go closed source, like Reddit did (let’s not forget Reddit used to be open source while it was convenient for them, then it wasn’t).
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The 100$ is very much a premium tier with nice to have features. The ad free version is around 20$, which is still steep but you’re paying for lifetime ads.
you’re paying for lifetime ads
You don’t need to pay for that, just go to Reddit. Free unlimited lifetime ads! 😉
Sync is $20 to remove ads no? Where is it $100?
Update: nevermind I see it here for sync ultra
I just subbed to Sync, I love how it works and the little I can support the dev I am happy to. But yes not everyone is in the same boat.
You may have misunderstood, I was saying along with supporting the sync dev, the backend that powers sync was made by very different developers. Their work powers lemmy as a whole. If you can, you can support them by donating using this link: join-lemmy.org/donate
I’m not sure what I was expecting, but it threw me off how short the donation list over $10 is and how many people donate on Patreon (obviously not the only way to donate). Thanks for the donation information!
Because people are cheap and don’t like paying for online stuff. Then they complain about ads. How do people think this stuff works fairy dust and unicorn farts.
I dunno, paying less than $10 is more than enough, definitely more than you could make from ads per person. And the reality is that not many people can afford to throw $10+ on every single online service.
If anything, it might be doable if you could pay, say, $50 and distribute that between everything based on your usage. But then service providers don’t really want that either, they’d rather take all that just for themselves than share with others.
Yeah that sounds about right.
I don’t think it’s fair to call people cheap when I’m constantly seeing stuff about how much people are struggling financially. If people had more money to spare they’d care less about throwing it at random things.
The person that runs my home instance appears to be from Ohio, I don’t think I can sanction that buffoonery. /s
I’ll kick some money towards them once I get bills for the month sorted.
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Found the Michigander, unless there are other states that also like to banter toward Ohio.
/fellow Michigander
Iowa actually, Ohio banter is becoming somewhat universal I think. A different flavor of the Florida man meme.
Done! 😁
If the sync dev would be fair and not greedy, he would give at least the 2/3 of his revenues from the app to the Lemmy devs and the instances. Otherwise, I guess instances should be able to block these apps.
I understand everyone need to earn something. And keeping max 1/3 is good.
People need to understand and in priority the people coming from Reddit that Lemmy is not reddit. Reddit earns money with ads and investors. They could inject ads through the APIs and states in the usage terms that 3rd party devs could not remove them. They didn’t do it.
Lemmy is a complet other story. Lemmy rely on donations. So, when someone donates to the Lemmy devs and/or instances, the dev of a paid app is making money on this donation. Without the Lemmy devs and the instances, the paid app would not exist at all. It’s not fair at all to not share the revenue of these apps.
These paid apps and their devs are at best predators and at least parasitics.
if you’re not greedy you would pay lemmy dev, and whatever lemmy app you use
Relying on the donation of others to the Lemmy dev and instances to make profits is way more greedy. It is even parasitic on one side.
People not donating is a thing but they don’t make profits. It’s a huge difference on the greedy scale.
This whole comment is ridiculous. People are happy to pay for a better experience (for them). You can do/say whatever you want. So can I. So can he. Things in the world aren’t free. There is a continual narrative that everything should be FOSS. In a perfect world: sure. In our world we need money to live.
I’m happy to pay for the ad free version of sync. And happy that the profits go to the app maker to do whatever he wants.
Making up fractions like 1/3 is useless and arbitrary at best. You have no idea how much he makes or even what 1/3 would mean.
Edit: If instances block these apps, it defeats the purpose of an open fediverse. … also sounds just like reddit.
Things in the world aren’t free.
Did I write that? I explicitly wrote he can keep 1/3. It doesn’t make it free at all, knowing the other 2/3 going to the Lemmy devs and instances. Nothing is free in this model. It’s about the fairness.
1/3 isn’t arbitrary. You have 3 parties here, the app dev, the lemmy devs and the lemmy instances. The first relies entirely on the second and the third, who are in a donation model. Without these two, the first is at best useless, therefore giving 2/3 to the other parties is fine. Cutting the revenues of the app in 3 for each party is fair.
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I thought the fuss was because of the apparent tracking, not the fact that it’s a paid app?
That was my bigger issue along with the GDPR compliance. The dev has said that clicking do not consent turns off consent but we’ve all see sites and apps where “legitimate interest” is skipped when you remove consent. That and the data that’s collected seems a bit opaque. Now, I know these types of advertising platforms are often drop in solutions so it’s possible the Dev just doesn’t know that side. That being said they should be aware of these things when on a heavily FOSS skewed platform like this. The Dev seems responsive so I imagine this will all be smoothed out in future.
For me, the fuss, in this thread is about Sync users inexplicable need to jump into a thread about supporting Lemmy development and keeping instances afloat with comments about how much they love Sync.
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It is absolutely blowing my mind how insular some people are. ‘just let me use Sync’, ‘I just want to access Lemmy in my favourite app’, ‘who asked you for your opinion?’
It’s like they don’t know that the API their app accesses was built by a couple of guys or that the data their app consumes is paid for by people running that software. And then they get uppity when you point out to them that maybe a thread pointing out it might be a good idea to support those people isn’t the place for them to tell everyone how much they love Sync.
After the way Lemmy responded, and there were absolute children making the biggest splashes, then any reference to, “well, got cash, please pay.” hits as another dig. I don’t think that was OPs intent and I didn’t read it that way.
But the absolute conniption that lemmy had did not endear the new, moneyed participants (some) in the way I think you’d hope.
It was juvenile. Days ago I set up a subscription support for lemmy.world. I know how it works. I wouldn’t be surprised that others did too.
Here’s my proposal: Lemmy isn’t the 30 most vocal anti-sync people Sync users aren’t all the ones you see posting in frustration.
Passive aggressive “they” style comments are some of the stunted maturity acts I’ve seen here.
Say what you mean, mean what you say, but reflect before pressing the button.
When we geeked out, lemmy brought wheelbarrows of shit to dump on the elation. This is where we are.
Conciliation would help on all sides. But let’s not pretend there’s a background that makes both “sides” more reasonable.
If you want to use Sync, be my guest, I’m glad you’ve found an app you like. I genuinely don’t care what app anyone uses. Also, if you want to share your love of an app with others, feel free to do that too.
But - and try to hear this - hijacking a thread which is about making sure Lemmy gets developed (without which your app won’t work) and supporting instances (without which your app won’t work) to say how much you love your app is beyond crass.
Interesting response because I was responding to you making the topic Sync.
It’s right up there.
Just be honest. It’s okay. But don’t pretend I made sync the topic. Or that I didn’t discuss donating to the lemmy world server (or that I
doused to).I think, however, I’ll stay on lemmy.world but stop the donations. It looks like I’m indifferent to its success given the lack of integrity or serious commentators.
For all those concerned with how i spend my money, I found a way to save some.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not being evasive or dismissive, I genuinely have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about.
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Very true
What is that link and who are those people? How do I find out who runs lemmy.world and how do I donate to them?
Lemmy donation https://join-lemmy.org/donate
Lemmy Instance patreon https://www.patreon.com/mastodonworld
My instance’s owner has a Patreon. I give there. I definitely recommend that others do the same.
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FYI if you still want to show support, librepay allows you to give a “symbolic donation” of just $0.01 a week, or $0.52 a year
You don’t have to explain if you can’t! Don’t feel bad. Supporting yourself should definitely come first. Hope you are doing alright.
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Yeah, I do wish there was some form of regional pricing going on. Doesn’t seem to be the case if the prices I’m seeing in my (also third world) country are anything to go by.
According to his update I believe he’ll be working on regional prices this week
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You’re absolutely right, major brain fart on my part to assume that’s what the person I responded to meant
Like every open source projects, you can donate with money or your time. Both are equally valuable. Promoting the project, helping new users, heck, even being pleasant and help fostering positive environment in the fediverse so new users feel welcomed is actually very valuable (especially given current reputation of fediverse citizens being especially harsh to new users).
To add to this, it can even be as simple as reporting bugs you find, whether that be with the Lemmy code itself or a client you’re using.
I don’t get where this reputation came from? I’ve had more positive interactions on Lemmy in the last month than I had on Reddit in the last 10 years, literally. I feel like this is the internet equivalent of Iceland, everyone must think it is a frozen hellscape, but then you get here and it is actually a really nice place to be.
And that’s totally fine. That’s the beauty of the internet, not everybody has to pitch in, and if you can’t you shouldn’t feel bad about it. There was a time when I was a starving college student and was doing the five finger discount on a very regular basis. We’re glad you’re here regardless.
My egalitarian FOSS is showing lol
There are three donation options on that page, LiberaPay, Patreon and OpenCollective. Which one take the least amount of fee from the donated money?
They’ve mentioned they prefer liberapay
Opencollective has PayPal ☝🏻 Best choice for me
Ended up using opencollective as well because of Paypal. But using credit card seems to have a bit lower fee than Paypal. Maybe I’ll use that for the next donation.
Using Credit card with other currencies than euros, my bank charges me fees. PayPal does not, that’s why I always prefer PayPal
