This is good advice on it’s face, but what if you’re living in a country full of Nazis?
Like, let’s say - hypothetically - the cops are Nazis. And all your mass media is full of Nazi agitprop. And friends and family are periodically repeating Nazis talking points. And you are feeling increasingly isolated by the sheer madness of the outside world.
Thats ok, us Maori spend our whole time hating normal kiwis, who then hate nazis. They just need to slot in and direct theirs in the right direction (/s).
I mean, what are they really going to do - deport us back home? Actually don’t answer that, they may try it.
I realised after posting that my post could easily be read contrary to what I meant too; it could easily read like I’m minimising the problems Māori face (TL;DR: colonisation).
I was trying to imply that an immigrant could be spared attention from our Nazis because the Nazis are already busy being Nazis to Māori.
It’s not like our government has spent the last 150 years being Nazis… Ah shit.
All good - I actually wish some of us would stop using the last 150 years as an excuse. Did we have to deal with alot of shit - absolutely, and a not 0 ammout is still ongoing. But FFS, the opportunities are there if you stop using it as an excuse to not do better.
My ancestors spent generations screwing over Māori, maybe not personally (I don’t know) but I’m not prepared to give them a pass on it.
I’m quite happy to let some laziness slide or some rules being taken advantage of or me personally having some tax dollars pent when it’s making up for generations of actual evil.
I’ve been studying our history and it’s pretty fucked… It’s not what we got taught in school.
Oh, im aware. Lots of stuff we thought was limited to American colonization, education that has since been whitewashed to make it sound not as bad as it was, and general comments that miss most of the story. Even at the high school level.
You are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors, regardless of how direct or indirect it was. The flip side is that I did not suffer that treatment, and therefore can no blame my life and actions on it. Very different viewpoint to a number of my iwi, who are still stuck in the take take take and I’m owed mindset. Screwing over the next generation with their excuses.
You can go to literally any city in Earth and find many English speakers.
I’ve traveled to numerous cities in Europe and East Asia and visited many places where little to no English was spoken.
You can usually find a handful of people in a major business center who specifically cater to foreign visitors, if you’re willing to spend extra for the privilege. But get outside the center of Paris or Berlin or Malmo or Shanghai or Tokyo, and its very easy to find yourself amid a sea of people who have no idea how to understand you much less respond.
Yes, there are call centers in Manila or Taipei where tens of thousands of people have to speak English for their jobs. Yes, the entire staff of the The Palm in Dubai is fluent. No, that’s not really helpful if you’re out in the suburbs of Brussels or living as a student in Seoul. If you need to call a plumber because the sink of your flat in Palermo sprung a leak, there’s a very good chance you’re going to be explaining the problem in Italian or in very elaborate hand gestures.
If it comes to your life, you really may need to learn another language. It happens anyway, move to a new place with a reasonable population of foreign language speakers and you’ll start picking up some words here and there.
I don’t know your situation, just wish you luck, and remember to forward that same welcoming other communities may share with you to others in the future. You may not be the only one intent on escaping.
If it comes to your life, you really may need to learn another language.
Sure. But then moving from Berlin to Krakow isn’t necessarily going to save you from the imperial march.
Also, not a trivial thing to accomplish. It’s a bit like telling a 40 year old who has never learned to swim to brush up real quick before we push you off the side of the boat.
I don’t know your situation
I mean, for the most part I’m fine. This is all hypothetical, right up until it isn’t. But “you should just learn an extra language maybe?” isn’t what I’d call a practical response to the problem of a fascist local government.
Yeah, it’s definitely not trivial, but not impossible, and the relocation may even be a temporary situation. I only suggested taking the leap regardless because that seemed to be your trend, “I’d like to leave but perhaps the language barrier is too intense”, to paraphrase.
And you’re right that it won’t stop the march. I don’t intend to give up my country to fascists. Some people, just due to physical ailments etc, may need to leave vs fight and that’s ok too.
Yeah, it’s definitely not trivial, but not impossible
I’d go so far as to say “incredibly difficult, expensive, and time consuming to do well”.
Some people, just due to physical ailments etc, may need to leave vs fight and that’s ok too.
Oh, absolutely. Know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em.
I just see a lot of fascist tendency building up in English-speaking corners of the world. That 1.5-2.0B English speakers figure isn’t a great solution when it just means moving from Fascism HQ to Franchise Fascism. The spots with the most English speakers - India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the UK, and the Philippines are plagued by some deeply reactionary domestic situations.
This is good advice on it’s face, but what if you’re living in a country full of Nazis?
Like, let’s say - hypothetically - the cops are Nazis. And all your mass media is full of Nazi agitprop. And friends and family are periodically repeating Nazis talking points. And you are feeling increasingly isolated by the sheer madness of the outside world.
Hypothetically, of course.
Have you considered moving?
Sadly, I’m an English speaker so I’m very limited in my options.
You mean the most widespread language on earth?
Find yourself a nice blue city and move into the suburbs. Lots of good jobs too.
Come to New Zealand.
We still have Nazis but they spend all their energy on hating Māori.
Thats ok, us Maori spend our whole time hating normal kiwis, who then hate nazis. They just need to slot in and direct theirs in the right direction (/s).
I mean, what are they really going to do - deport us back home? Actually don’t answer that, they may try it.
I realised after posting that my post could easily be read contrary to what I meant too; it could easily read like I’m minimising the problems Māori face (TL;DR: colonisation).
I was trying to imply that an immigrant could be spared attention from our Nazis because the Nazis are already busy being Nazis to Māori.
It’s not like our government has spent the last 150 years being Nazis… Ah shit.
All good - I actually wish some of us would stop using the last 150 years as an excuse. Did we have to deal with alot of shit - absolutely, and a not 0 ammout is still ongoing. But FFS, the opportunities are there if you stop using it as an excuse to not do better.
My ancestors spent generations screwing over Māori, maybe not personally (I don’t know) but I’m not prepared to give them a pass on it.
I’m quite happy to let some laziness slide or some rules being taken advantage of or me personally having some tax dollars pent when it’s making up for generations of actual evil.
I’ve been studying our history and it’s pretty fucked… It’s not what we got taught in school.
Oh, im aware. Lots of stuff we thought was limited to American colonization, education that has since been whitewashed to make it sound not as bad as it was, and general comments that miss most of the story. Even at the high school level.
You are not responsible for the actions of your ancestors, regardless of how direct or indirect it was. The flip side is that I did not suffer that treatment, and therefore can no blame my life and actions on it. Very different viewpoint to a number of my iwi, who are still stuck in the take take take and I’m owed mindset. Screwing over the next generation with their excuses.
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It fucking sucks.
You can go to literally any city in Earth and find many English speakers. Estimates are 1.5 - 2 billion people on earth are Anglophones.
I’ve traveled to numerous cities in Europe and East Asia and visited many places where little to no English was spoken.
You can usually find a handful of people in a major business center who specifically cater to foreign visitors, if you’re willing to spend extra for the privilege. But get outside the center of Paris or Berlin or Malmo or Shanghai or Tokyo, and its very easy to find yourself amid a sea of people who have no idea how to understand you much less respond.
Yes, there are call centers in Manila or Taipei where tens of thousands of people have to speak English for their jobs. Yes, the entire staff of the The Palm in Dubai is fluent. No, that’s not really helpful if you’re out in the suburbs of Brussels or living as a student in Seoul. If you need to call a plumber because the sink of your flat in Palermo sprung a leak, there’s a very good chance you’re going to be explaining the problem in Italian or in very elaborate hand gestures.
If it comes to your life, you really may need to learn another language. It happens anyway, move to a new place with a reasonable population of foreign language speakers and you’ll start picking up some words here and there.
I don’t know your situation, just wish you luck, and remember to forward that same welcoming other communities may share with you to others in the future. You may not be the only one intent on escaping.
Sure. But then moving from Berlin to Krakow isn’t necessarily going to save you from the imperial march.
Also, not a trivial thing to accomplish. It’s a bit like telling a 40 year old who has never learned to swim to brush up real quick before we push you off the side of the boat.
I mean, for the most part I’m fine. This is all hypothetical, right up until it isn’t. But “you should just learn an extra language maybe?” isn’t what I’d call a practical response to the problem of a fascist local government.
Yeah, it’s definitely not trivial, but not impossible, and the relocation may even be a temporary situation. I only suggested taking the leap regardless because that seemed to be your trend, “I’d like to leave but perhaps the language barrier is too intense”, to paraphrase.
And you’re right that it won’t stop the march. I don’t intend to give up my country to fascists. Some people, just due to physical ailments etc, may need to leave vs fight and that’s ok too.
I’d go so far as to say “incredibly difficult, expensive, and time consuming to do well”.
Oh, absolutely. Know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em.
I just see a lot of fascist tendency building up in English-speaking corners of the world. That 1.5-2.0B English speakers figure isn’t a great solution when it just means moving from Fascism HQ to Franchise Fascism. The spots with the most English speakers - India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the UK, and the Philippines are plagued by some deeply reactionary domestic situations.
It’s a tight spot to be, is all.
Tbh, if that’s the case then, I will just join in a Marxist group that is serious about arm resistance. I’m too poor to move out anyway.
Complain about it online and hope someone else does something about it, as far as I can tell.
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