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      It’s like I always say, violence and torture work so well you don’t even have to do them in the first place. Just saying you will unless they comply is enough. That’s why we’re the good guys.

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    Durov – who has citizenship in France as well as Russia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Caribbean archipelago of St. Kitts and Nevis

    How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

    Is it money? Gotta be money.

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      In Canada and New Zealand you can literally buy citizenship. You just need the funds. It’s a real and legitimate process.

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        I wonder if anyone rich enough has decided on undertaking the quest to get and hold as many citizenships as possible.

        There’d probably be difficulty though getting simultaneous citizenships for North Korea / South Korea citizenship, Russia / Ukraine, or Republic of China / People’s Republic of China.

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          The most i could find on the web was this lawyers non-named client, who has 8 citizenships (“octa-citizen” has passports from Canada, UK, Ireland, Belize, Grenada, Dominica, St. Kitts, and Cape Verde), after renouncing his original USA one (and he apparently did it to not pay taxes).

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            ya, the US is the only nation that will tax any money you make even if you don’t live in the US or work in the US

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      Oh hell yeah it’s money. It’s called economic citizenship and there are plenty of countries out there that are willing to let you buy in with ownership of properties and business.

      There are only a handful of countries out there that don’t allow dual citizenship.

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      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      My kids are entitled to 5 citizenships. 2 from me and 3 from their mum.

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      I only use Telegram for my Warhammer 40k group…Authorities seizing that will get them years of mindless chatter about the Emperor, memes and battle reports. Fuck they will pay us to leave Telegram

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      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      Most countries let you have multiple citizenships. Unless a country restricts you from doing so, you can have as many as you want.

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      And if they had implented that to begin with and used servers that kept no logs he wouldn’t have had anything of value to hand over and they would have had to release him since he physically could not provide those things.

      He built the damn situation for himself, and the fact that such issues weren’t considered practically screams “honeypot.”

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        they would have had to release him

        Maybe we could say he wouldn’t be in this situation because he could’ve responded to every request his company got and they could’ve provided all of the zero logs they had.

        I believe Telegram just wasn’t cooperating at all which is wild! Such a Musk thing to do.

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      Just keep in mind that any service that asks for a phone number can also disclose it.

      I hope what leaves the Signal client is a hash of your phone number, rather than the number itself. They might even be using salts and expensive-to-execute key derivation functions, to mitigate brute force searches (which are otherwise easy given the relatively small search space of phone numbers). But if compelled, it would be trivial for Signal to change that behavior.

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      I also don’t trust Signal… And I won’t gonna switch a 4th time. I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

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          That is a pretty weak argument. The issues are minor and in a library that people are moving off of to a better build and stronger validated library. Yes, it should have been like that in the first place, but the problem is minor and being addressed.

          I would look more to the various features of Matrix that aren’t encrypted like room names, topics, reactions, … and not to mention the oodles of unencrypted metadata. I really wouldn’t call Matrix a high-privacy system.

          I like Matrix and use it regularly, but it definitely doesn’t have a privacy-first mindset like Signal does. I’m hoping that this improves over time, but without a strong privacy first leadership it seems unlikely to happen.

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            There’s also SimpleX chat and Briar, but I’ve used both of those less than Matrix. They seem to be aiming to solve the last few issues that Matrix has, like usernames and metadata leakage.

            I consider Matrix to be closer to an “Enterprise” solution, like what a business or government or non-profit would use for secure communications (literally both French and German governments use Matrix), while SimpleX/Briar seem much more aimed at individuals just wanting control over their personal conversations.

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      Anyone who used Telegram as a private communications channel in the first place is an idiot.

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        Which is not a good thing… Even if you don’t agree with some of the current demonstrations… The moment you are in situation you also need to demonstrate against the state, you won’t be able to… By then, we are all doomed.

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          I think humans have the potential to be kicked to the ground, again and again, to then rise up and overthrow their government in a day.

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            If we can trust history books, that happened. And will happen over and over again. Until humans are only pure energy or something haha.

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        No!! I don’t go for signal. That is a centralized alternative. And I’m indeed trying to avoid to migrate again!

        Maybe Matrix… Or maybe Simplex sounds better…