Im doing an alternate history scenario with a friend and this is my map for 1980. I wanted some fresh eyes to look at this and give some history changes.

the only relavent alteration of history i have here is that I changed the result of the Ecuadorian elections which made it less dependent on the USA.

  • anarcho_blinkenist [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    West Europeans and Japan and Australians (and Canadians) not being labeled as vassals is inaccurate, but depends on your audience if they’ll fixate on screeching about that (real reality) instead of the broader picture youre trying to paint. US literally occupied the continent and Gladio’d everyone but friendlies by using all the nazis they hired into West German intelligence (and every other W. German government and social institution) and their collaborator networks, in collaboration with the (fascist) Vatican and also a bunch of mafia figures. Then subsumed the Europeans’ individual militaries in large part into NATO which is blatantly led by the USA. Vassals.

    When Australia tried to close US military bases and kick out the CIA the US collaborated with the UK to coup their government, including by having the Queen leverage her absolute powers. Vassal. Japan was bombed to shit and then militarily occupied by the US; and after the US-led government let the (those still-unexecuted) communists out of prison and used them to rebuild the country — which made them very popular — when the communists were going to handily win in a democratic election (which would likely too have meant removal of US military occupation) MacArthur literally stepped his boot down and abolished their election until the communists could be ousted — and initiated a heinous purge and white terror against the communists and splitting the communist movement in half between those who would capitulate and those who sought protracted peoples war in response. Vassal.

    • Yeah, i had a some difficulty trying to quantify US vassalage. For canada I put them under NATO since it would be an Imperial Core country (despite US vassalage). I know the history you point out, but i will say that japan in the 80s was more economically independent from the US, to an extent where america had to take drastic action to wrestle it under control.

      As @thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net pointed out, OECD is a more exact representation of the imperial core countries than just trying to do my previous system, so I will be changing the way the imperial core is represented.

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    Peru was under control of Gen. Francisco Morales Bermúdez, he had removed Center-Left nationalist dictator Velasco from power and worked with the US during Operation Condor. I think it should be marked as Allies.

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        I believe that Velasco was a representative of the left wing of the Peruvian Armed Forces at the time. He took office in a bloodless coup d’état because Peru was suffering from political instability, the Congress was under the control of the extreme right. The executive was under the control of a weak and useless liberal, in addition to the existence of communist and socdem guerrillas (APRA Party).

        The army decided that enough was enough and, fearing that there would be a far-right party in coalition with the APRA government in Peru, which would lead to greater political instability, they staged a coup d’état and ousted the President. During his rule, he was pro-Inca and pro-Native, granting a series of rights and changing the names of things to indigenous names. He also established Quechua as one of Peru’s official languages. This process was called Peruanism. He also carried out the largest land reform in South America (second only to Cuba in Latin America). He nationalized the economy, the government took over many things.

        He began to have better relations with Cuba, even though his government was anti-communist and persecuted socialists, liberals, conservatives and communists. He started buying things from the Soviet Union and Cuba to prepare for a possible invasion of Pinochet’s Chile. He also didn’t like the US and tried to gain a lot more independence from the US. What really screwed Velasco up was the oil crisis of the 1970s, which made it impossible for Velasco to continue his revolution and eventually opened up the opportunity for the right-wing members of the army to depose him.

        Btw, Bolivia also had their very own Center-Left Military strongman (1969 - 1971), Gen. Juan José Torres (nicknamed Jota-Jota) who kicked the Americans out of Bolivia, and later he was removed and killed by the CIA.

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    i think you should show the (NAM) non aligned movement members as independents or just nonaligned instead, since all of africa were members some countries of different sides were also members and Mexico was just an observer.

    Since you used the Comecon as the soviet faction, instead of west you could use the OECD since by 1980 its made up by most of the countries of the west plus Japan

    • I was thinking that, but a co-creator definitely put it as a priority to highlight, so yeah i may just put it into perspective as ‘Independent’ or ‘non-aligned’ countries. I tried to make the section also reflect that, since its for countries that are split between east and west, or are truly more independent.

      I admit i was blind to the existence of the OECD but god its perfect! the international community is perfectly outlined, and the puppets of empire as well. I will recommend these changes.

      thank you for your recommendations