• AnotherOne@feddit.de
    822·
    11 months ago

    No, you love the creators you watch. Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder. I use newpipe, i never see ads but if i have a creator i want to support i send them money as direct as possible without middlemen (direct donations during livestreams for example). i pay the creator for their work. If google wouldn’t violate my human dignity by shoving a camera up my ass 24/7 i might consider giving them money to run their servers but as long as they try to make me a product they won’t see money nor data from me

    • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
      87·
      11 months ago

      That’s a fair point, maybe I should look into using newpipe and use what was my monthly payment as a direct donation to my favorite creators instead. Thanks for the informative reply!

      • atlasraven31@lemm.ee
        8·
        11 months ago

        If they have a patreon, that would be the best way short of putting the money directly in their hands.

      • milkytoast@kbin.social
        8·
        11 months ago

        yeah I would say block ads, and then whatever u would normally spend on premium, donate to your favorite creators

        the creatora only get 55% (which isn’t bad all things considered) of the ad/premium revenue. by donating directly u spend the same but they get more

        • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
          521·
          11 months ago

          But to be fair, if YouTube themselves don’t make anything then the service that hosts my content creators isn’t sustainable. So just getting premium feels like the most moral option all things considered, at least for me.

          • milkytoast@kbin.social
            3·
            11 months ago

            yeah except idc, google can go fuck themselves. if yt dies, there are other platforms, such as peer tube. not as big, but if yt goes to shit, that where the creators will most likely go

    • Catsrules@lemmy.ml
      118·
      11 months ago

      No, you love the creators you watch.

      And Youtube makes that possible. Show me another service that is as good as Youtube is? Unlimited uploads for everyone, extremely fast constant delivery network. Require no logins or accounts to access the site. 4K video etc… etc… All for the low price of free with ads, or pay for no adds. They every are even one of the best at paying content creators. There is a reason almost every content creator ends up having some kind of account on Youtube.

      Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder.

      I don’t believe Google is in the business of selling data. There business is ad delivery. They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.

      • beefcat@beehaw.org
        9·
        11 months ago

        Google absolutely is in the business of selling user data, through their ad network. AdSense customers use that data to target ads. It’s their whole business model. Just because they aren’t being given a database with all that data doesn’t mean they aren’t paying for access to it.

        Facebook operates the same way.

      • Litanys@lem.cochrun.xyz
        5·
        11 months ago

        They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.

        I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them. It’s still crappy. It’s kinda unfair I think to outright say they don’t sell your data. You data is their core money maker. It’s just in a round about way. Sure maybe it doesn’t bother you, but in my opinion, the collection of data is the core problem with modern technology, not even just the internet. Data is extremely powerful and valuable.

        • Catsrules@lemmy.ml
          2·
          11 months ago

          I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them.

          Sure you can drill down to specific characteristics of people but as far as I am aware it is Google that actually handles the interactions/delivers the information. So I am not really sure what information a third party could gather about a specific person.

          But yeah I totally agree data collection is a huge problem basically every tech company is doing it. One of the reason why I try and self host as much as possible. To truly solve the problem we need better privacy laws in place.

  • Bizarroland@kbin.social
    423·
    11 months ago

    If money could stop things from enshitifying, there would be very few shitty things on the planet.

    If everybody on the planet subscribed to YouTube premium they would still become enshittified.

    Even with 8 billion monthly subscriptions at $10 a month or more, Google would raise the prices and provide less service.

    They would do whatever they have to do whatever they can do to extract the most amount of money they possibly can out of the product.

    This is not just because Google is a shit company, this is because greed knows no bounds. The only way for a company to stop being enshitified is for the company from the top down to be radically opposed to enshittification.

    Only a good King can stop enshittification.

    There are no good Kings in Google.

    • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
      103·
      11 months ago

      I know. Late stage capitalism is much more of a negative than a positive.

      But I did say slow enshitification. Slow =/= Stop.

      Enshitification:

      • OpenStars@kbin.social
        3·
        11 months ago

        Whoosh moment… but I see what you did there - and I for one, like it!:-P

        Though tbf, I must be insane, b/c I legit just watch the ads. Okay so not watch watch them, or listen either tbh, but let them play out I mean… I watch fewer than one YT video per day, most often per week even, or sometimes per month, so that is just easier for me than anything else, and it feels good to know that I am supporting the content creators that way, which iirc YT does at least a halfway decent job of? (or I could be misremembering that, but I thought like not the best yet not the worst either, more solidly in the middle, median-wise if not average?) Like, it is literally the least I can offer:-D.

        Unless I want to listen to music, in which case I just turn on blocking of the ads - I guess I am not all that perfect (or bat-shit insane - ain’t nobody got time for dat!):-P.

        • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
          49·
          11 months ago

          I just think I’m irritated with watching ads enough to pay to not need to. I also think I watch multiple YouTube videos nearly everyday, so I just consider it paying $0.05 to skip the ad automatically and still support the company and creators both.

  • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social
    28·
    11 months ago

    Sorry, but I’ll pay for it when they stop spying on everything I do. And worse, is that they make it intentionally bad when you turn off suggestions.

    • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
      35·
      11 months ago

      90% of my usage is on Mobile and through my Roku TV which both use specific apps to view YouTube. That’s my problem.

      I can use revanced to change the app on my phone, or download another app like NewPipe and that would work for a bit. But the hoops I’m referring to are when the apps get banned and need to be updated to work again, AND the hoops I feel I’d need to go to for an ad blocker at the router level so my Roku TV won’t show ads through YouTube. (Though I should probably look into that anyway to get rid of ads on my TVs home screen).

      It just feels like a hassle to me, and I’m paying $8/mo as a student anyway so it’s pretty cheap too.

      • Resistentialism@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        On your tv. Go to settings, apps, see all apps, android tv home, then uninstall updates. Go to Google play store, your username icon, settings and disable auto-update apps. It’ll remove the crap at the top.

        To remove specific things from the home screen, scroll down to the one you want to remove. Then hit the little circled minus button.
        You can also install custom launchers if you really wanted to.

        If you care, you can also “uninstall” uninstallable apps with adb. And there’s a program called adb app control(I think that’s the name) that’ll let you easily remove them. They also have an called adb tv: app manager on the playstore. You need to enable adb debugging. But the app tells you what to do. Just don’t uninstall anything you don’t recognise. There’ll be a lot of things that are really important.

        As a signing off gift, smarttube is like revamced but for your tv. Find their github, download it, put it on your tv, either woth a USB or I use an app called send files to tv.

        • electriccars@startrek.websiteOP
          1·
          11 months ago

          Thanks for the guide, but these are exactly the type of hoops I was talking about needing to jump through. Still, if and when I get a Google smart TV maybe I’ll do this but I have a Roku.

          • Resistentialism@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            Ah, yeah, I know nothing about Roku. Other than it’s highly customised android and can’t be used to install apks

  • Eavolution@kbin.social
    22·
    11 months ago

    I’m still annoyed at the removal of google play music. I want to just buy tracks or albums, instead of a subscription, and just own a flac/mp3/music file I can do anything with.

    I rip cds now, and feel 0 guilt for that even though its illegal here because quite frankly the artists are getting more money this way.

  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
    242·
    11 months ago

    Fuck google and the horse it rode in on. Never paying them a single red cent. They already make bank selling my data.

    Fuck em with a cactus.

  • FiralTheSpiral@lemmy.world
    17·
    11 months ago

    Let me just share a few FOSS apps that are arguably better than their official google counterparts.

    For YouTube: Libretube, NewPipe

    For YouTube Music: InnerTune, ViMusic

    And, not open source, but if you want to support the creators (and artists) you like, buy merch. YouTube doesn’t get a cut of the merch sales to my knowledge.

  • madcaesar@lemmy.world
    17·
    11 months ago

    YouTube, removes downvote count, and implements shitty start up noise that I can’t disable, and raises price. Then wonders why I don’t want to pay for that shit.

  • DekkerNSFW@kbin.social
    141·
    11 months ago

    Enshittification is not a thing that will be slowed if only we just pay Google more. It’s a well-honed business strategy. Nobody in their right mind would stop their plans just because people start paying them more, voluntarily.